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| Dec-18-07 | | RookFile: After your 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. 0-0 b5 6. Bb3 d6 7. c3 Bg4 8. h3 Bh5 9. d3 Be7 10. Nbd2 Qd7 11. Re1 h6 12. a4 b4 13. d4 exd4 14. cxd4 (not 14. exd4 like you typed) black plays 14.... Nxd4, and after 15. g4 Nxb3 16. Qxb3 Bxg4 17. hxg4 Qxg4+ we have a wild and wooly position where black has 3 pawns for a piece and white has an exposed king. 11.... h6 immediately may not actually be the best move. There are alternatives, like 11.... a5, or even the immediate 11..... g5. <Note that I'm not claiming a White advantage.> Well, that's really the whole point, now, isn't it. White should have a higher ambition than to reach a game game where black has as many chances as he does. If 8. h3 doesn't accomplish this, then it is a positional mistake, and should join the other 15 games in this line on the scrap heap of opening theory. |
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Dec-18-07
 | | beatgiant: <RookFile>
<Note that I'm not claiming a White advantage.>
<Well, that's really the whole point, now, isn't it.>As I mentioned, the whole d3 line itself doesn't accomplish the goal of agressively pushing for better chances for White. The lack of adaptation by masters shows that it's <on the scrap heap of opening theory>. If you think after h3 there are chances for both sides, then we agree. |
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Dec-18-07
| | beatgiant: For reference, here are two White successes with early h3/d3. Keres vs F J Perez, 1943
Geller vs I Pogrebissky, 1949
In both cases White soon opened with a4 and d4. |
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| Jan-13-09 | | WhiteRook48: why not 41. Bxf4? |
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| Feb-01-09 | | WhiteRook48: although 41. Kf1 makes Black resign |
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| Aug-02-09 | | malu: Because it would just lose the passed pawn. 41. Bxf4 Rxd7 42. Qc3 ( for example ) gxf4 |
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| Aug-02-09 | | AnalyzeThis: <beatgiant: For reference, here are two White successes with early h3/d3.> In other words, GMs for the last 60 years have felt that this approach isn't a good idea. |
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| Aug-15-09 | | tentsewang: The late Fischer both predicts his opponent ahead, and catches up with earlier targets that came to be possible later. What a Magnificent game with pure precision! |
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| Dec-13-10 | | BobbyDigital80: I can't believe some of the comments on this game. Of course h3 and d3 are good moves. Black's ...Bg4 is an inaccuracy. It's only good if white has already played d4 because then ...Bg4 puts added pressure on the pawn. With the pawn still at home, ...Bg4 looks pointless because white can play h3 and d3. That's the whole point. |
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| Jan-11-11 | | Damianx: AS BObbyD80 points out H3 is a good move i,ve seen countless Fisher games where he plays it and i,ve read Fishers comments that Bg4 is a bad move almost a blunder again as BobbyD80 states |
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Jan-11-11
| | beatgiant: <BobbyDigital80>,<Damianx>
Interesting. What strategy is suggested if Black plays as <RookFile> suggested, with 10...Qd7, willing to delay castling, willing to respond to g4 with ...Bxg4 in some cases, and ready to play for ...g5 aiming to break open White's kingside? Would 10...Qd7 11. g4 immediately be the right idea? At that point probably 11...Bxg4 is not quite good enough for Black, right? |
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| Nov-17-11 | | RookFile: <BobbyDigital80: I can't believe some of the comments on this game. Of course h3 and d3 are good moves. Black's ...Bg4 is an inaccuracy. It's only good if white has already played d4 because then ...Bg4 puts added pressure on the pawn. With the pawn still at home, ...Bg4 looks pointless because white can play h3 and d3. That's the whole point. > If Bg4 is an inaccuracy, h3 is the wrong move order to exploit it. Better is d3, waiting for black to castle. You've got other waiting moves with white possible, like Nbd2 or even a4. It's best to hold off on h3 until black actually castles kingside. Why give black a chance to storm your king? |
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| Nov-17-11 | | tonsillolith: Watching White's smooth expansion using the passed pawn, it's easy to overlook how all the while, his e5 bishop is guarding the pawn on b2, which I'm sure is no accident. Furthermore, when the bishop is threatened with capture, White can retake with another pieces to guard b2. The better I get at chess, the more I appreciate subtleties like that, watching how grandmasters have lots of details taken care of, even in the parts of the board where the focus is not. Obviously if these are the subtleties that excite me, then I can't be that good at chess yet. But whatever! |
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Jan-31-19
 | | fearlessone: Tricky Camillo! Last move 40. ... Nf4+ if 41. Qxf4?? is total illusion even though all lines win except one and that move is Qxd7 by black with equal game! |
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Jan-31-19
| | fearlessone: After Fischers 41. Kf1! Ne6 counterattacking whites queen. White has winning move, the crusher is 42. Rxe6!! fxe6 43. Bxd8 winning easily. |
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Jan-31-19
| | fearlessone: 41. Bxf4?? is met by Rxd7!! with equal game for black. |
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| Feb-11-19 | | DansChessLounge: For analysis of the game check out the video here ---> https://youtu.be/ZQ7_3WmzOSg |
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| Mar-09-22 | | Mathematicar: Today's daily puzzle. Happy 79th birthday, Bobby. |
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| Mar-10-22 | | Granny O Doul: An old time master once played 7...Bg4 against me and I played 8. d3, as the books I'd read suggested, and it turned out ok. Still, I'm skeptical about Black's chances of punishing an early h3 with any queenside castling plans. I first saw this game in Fred Reinfeld's "Great Games by Chess Prodigies" which based on dates must have been among his last two or three dozen. The book's four sections were on Morphy, Capablanca, Reshevsky, and Fischer. "Masterly play by White". |
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| Jan-11-24 | | Polemarque: Attilio or Antillo ? |
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Jan-11-24
 | | OhioChessFan: <Pole> I've had a look and can't say for sure. I'll keep working on it. |
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Jan-11-24
| | OhioChessFan: I found a newspaper reference to "Attilio" Di Camillo, a chess master in Philadelphia, in 1957. The Chronicle Star the Moss Point advertiser. June 30, 1961. I am having trouble accessing newspaper archives, but he was in the top 15 finishers in a US Open, so a pretty notable player. |
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| Jan-13-24 | | Polemarque: Thanks OCF! |
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| Jan-13-24 | | FM David H. Levin: If Black tries 14...Nxg4, then 15.hxg4 Qxg4+ 16.Ng3 Qxf3 17.Nxh5. The last move in this sequence illustrates a type of x-ray that I've seldom seen. |
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| Aug-22-24 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: 31...Nxd6 32. Rd1 Ra6 33. Qd2 winning a piece
35. Qxb5 Rc5 winning a piece |
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