chessgames.com
Members · Prefs · Laboratory · Collections · Openings · Endgames · Sacrifices · History · Search Kibitzing · Kibitzer's Café · Chessforums · Tournament Index · Players · Kibitzing
Karel Treybal vs Alexander Alekhine
"The Trouble with Treybal" (game of the day Aug-01-2013)
Bad Pistyan (1922), Piestany CSR, rd 8, Apr-15
Spanish Game: Closed Variations. Morphy Attack (C78)  ·  0-1

ANALYSIS [x]

FEN COPIED

Click Here to play Guess-the-Move
Given 33 times; par: 71 [what's this?]

explore this opening
find similar games 4 more K Treybal/Alekhine games
PGN: download | view | print Help: general | java-troubleshooting

TIP: You should register a free account to activate some of Chessgames.com's coolest and most powerful features.

PGN Viewer:  What is this?
For help with this chess viewer, please see the Olga Chess Viewer Quickstart Guide.
PREMIUM MEMBERS CAN REQUEST COMPUTER ANALYSIS [more info]

A COMPUTER ANNOTATED SCORE OF THIS GAME IS AVAILABLE.  [CLICK HERE]

Kibitzer's Corner
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 2 OF 2 ·  Later Kibitzing>
Aug-03-07  sanyas: I think White's position is perfectly alright after 23.♗f4.
Aug-01-13  joupajou: <Gypsy>, <Calli> Here's Rybka's analysis.


click for larger view

Deep Rybka 4.1 w32 -6.49 (depth 20) 41.Qb3+ Kf6 42.Qf3+ Ke7 43.Qa3+ Ke8 44.Qa8+ Kf7 45.Qd5+ Ke7 46.Qe5+ Kd7 47.Qxg7+ Ke8 48.Qxg6+ Rf7 49.Qe6+ Kf8 50.Qd6+ Kg8 51.Qd8+ Kg7 52.Qd4+ Rf6 53.Kh3 Qh1+ 54.Kg3 Qf3+ 55.Kh2 Qf2+ 56.Qxf2 Rxf2+


click for larger view

Hopeless for white.

Aug-01-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: Quite a good pun. I've been watching the remastered Star Trek. The Ay Hort looked superb.
Aug-01-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  Gypsy: Thx <joupajou>!

So -- to the extent we can believe enumerating powers of Rybka -- Alekhine indeed had a win in the <40.g6+(!) hxg6! 41.Qb3+...> variation; even though he claimed that to lead to a draw by perpetual.

---

The second part of the question is still standing: Did AAA have a win in the variation he gave as winning -- <40.g6 Kxg6 41.Qxf8...> ?

Aug-01-13  Robespierre: "offramp" has indeed subtly indicated the source of this particular pun, namely, from the Star Trek episode, "The Trouble with Tribbles." I expect very few Chessgames.com frequenters under the age of 50 will recognize this obscure connection.
Aug-01-13  newzild: <Robespierre> I got the reference, and I'm a 44-year-old New Zealander.
Aug-01-13  himadri: what about the trouble with harry ?
Aug-01-13  kevin86: The trouble with Treybal is that he's no darn good.

puuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Aug-01-13  kevin86: actually,he was-just not in this game.

puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrr

(the sound of a tribble).

Aug-01-13  Abdel Irada: <Can someone please run a silicone analysis on these two positions?>

You may want to direct this question to Pamela Anderson.

Aug-01-13  Robespierre: <newzild> You get full marks for your antiquarian (or, at least, 1960s) TV knowledge!
Aug-01-13  JureIvanusic: Why not simple 33.... dxc1Q ?
Aug-01-13  Abdel Irada: <Robespierre: "offramp" has indeed subtly indicated the source of this particular pun, namely, from the Star Trek episode, "The Trouble with Tribbles." I expect very few Chessgames.com frequenters under the age of 50 will recognize this obscure connection.>

One word: <Re-runs>. :-D

Aug-01-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  Benzol: Star Trek DS9 in season five had the episode "Trials And Tribble-ations" with footage from the original series episode. How old do you have to be to remember that?

:)

Aug-02-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  Benzol: Great to see Chief O'Brien lying to Captain Kirk about who started the bar brawl.

:)

Aug-02-13  Abdel Irada: <Benzol: Great to see Chief O'Brien lying to Captain Kirk about who started the bar brawl.

:)>

"But, Jim, did you hear what he *said*? He said the _Enterprise_ was a scow, and *then* he said he was wrong, and it should be hauled away *as* garbage.

"A mon can only take so much."

Aug-02-13  joupajou: <Gypsy> Not at all, my pleasure! Alekhine is one of my heroes, it's always a treat to dig deeper into his games.
Aug-02-13  Abdel Irada: It's astounding how much of that (pre-)brawl scene in "The Trouble With Tribbles" has stayed in my head since I watched it in about 1974/5.

The scene: A bar in a space station, where _Enterprise_ crew members are drinking alongside the crew of a Klingon vessel also docked at the station.

One of the Klingons (I believe it was their captain) starts insulting Captain Kirk, culminating with perhaps the most memorable line in the entire _Star Trek_ canon by calling him <a swaggering, tin-plated dictator with delusions of Godhood>.

(Actors who've worked with William Shatner break into guffaws at this point.)

Ensign Chekhov becomes irate and wants to fight the Klingon ("Did you hear what he called the Keptin?"), but the older and wiser Scotty counsels patience: "We cahn take a *few* insults, laddie."

Then the Klingon makes the "scow" crack about the _Enterprise_ itself (including Scotty's "puir bairns," the engines), and the outcome is predictable.

(Especially for those who've read my last post.) ;-)

Aug-25-16  Howard: Alekhine's notes were generally accurate, but not always. This game is a case in point.
Aug-26-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  MissScarlett: < generally..., but not always.>

That's what <generally> means.

Aug-29-16  Howard: Picky point, in my view--but have it your way.
Sep-29-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  Jimmy720: Defeating a flank attack with a counter attack in the center!
Dec-30-17  Senk:


click for larger view

Now Qf3+ Kxh4 is a tablebase draw.

Dec-30-17  aliejin: There can be someone so stupid that pretends
that the analysis of the players of 100 years ago , or whatever, done alone have the standard of precision of the powerful computers and current software?
Dec-30-17  WorstPlayerEver: The Trouble with Three Balls
search thread:   
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 2 OF 2 ·  Later Kibitzing>

NOTE: Create an account today to post replies and access other powerful features which are available only to registered users. Becoming a member is free, anonymous, and takes less than 1 minute! If you already have a username, then simply login login under your username now to join the discussion.

Please observe our posting guidelines:

  1. No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
  2. No spamming, advertising, duplicate, or gibberish posts.
  3. No vitriolic or systematic personal attacks against other members.
  4. Nothing in violation of United States law.
  5. No cyberstalking or malicious posting of negative or private information (doxing/doxxing) of members.
  6. No trolling.
  7. The use of "sock puppet" accounts to circumvent disciplinary action taken by moderators, create a false impression of consensus or support, or stage conversations, is prohibited.
  8. Do not degrade Chessgames or any of it's staff/volunteers.

Please try to maintain a semblance of civility at all times.

Blow the Whistle

See something that violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform a moderator.


NOTE: Please keep all discussion on-topic. This forum is for this specific game only. To discuss chess or this site in general, visit the Kibitzer's Café.

Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of Chessgames.com, its employees, or sponsors.
All moderator actions taken are ultimately at the sole discretion of the administration.

This game is type: CLASSICAL. Please report incorrect or missing information by submitting a correction slip to help us improve the quality of our content.

Featured in the Following Game Collections[what is this?]
Game 117
from Garry Kasparov's On My Great Predecessors (1B) by AdrianP
My Great Predecessors: Alexander the Fourth
by grozny
Game 66, My Best Games of Chess, 1908-1923, Bad Pistyan
from Alexander Alekhine Games, 1920-1924 by MonsieurL
Game 66, My Best Games of Chess, 1908-1923
from Alekhine's Ruy Lopez Games by MonsieurL
Game 117
from Garry Kasparov on My Great Predecessors Part 1 by MetalPlastic
alekhine best games
by brager
The Greatest!!
by Antiochus
Games I'll look at later
by littlefermat
Alexander Alekhine's Best Games
by KingG
Bad Pistyan 1922
by suenteus po 147
Seeking for counterplay on the queenside
from Learn from the great Alekhine by timothee3331
The two players launch pawnstorms and Alekhine wins
from The games of Alekhine by timu222
Mil y Una Partidas 1914-1931
by K9Empress
Art of War's favorite games 5
by Art of War
Alekhine
by Harmonicus
August 1: The Trouble with Treybal
from Game of the Day 2013 by Phony Benoni
My Great Predecessors by Garry Kasparov
by PassedPawnDuo
Game 117
from On My Great Predecessors 1 (Kasparov) by PassedPawnDuo
Power Chess - Alekhine
by Anatoly21
Karel Treybal ()
from Alexander Alekhine by IsmaelElzara
plus 49 more collections (not shown)

Home | About | Login | Logout | F.A.Q. | Profile | Preferences | Premium Membership | Kibitzer's Café | Biographer's Bistro | New Kibitzing | Chessforums | Tournament Index | Player Directory | Notable Games | World Chess Championships | Opening Explorer | Guess the Move | Game Collections | ChessBookie Game | Chessgames Challenge | Store | Privacy Notice | Contact Us

Copyright 2001-2023, Chessgames Services LLC