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Mikhail Chigorin vs George Hatfeild Gossip
6th American Chess Congress, New York (1889), New York, NY USA, rd 29, May-03
Ponziani Opening: Steinitz Variation (C44)  ·  1-0



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Mar-21-12  ajile: I had

13.Nc4 Qa6 14.Nb6 winning the exchange but 13.Nc4 Qa6 14.Bg5+ Kxf7 15.Nd6++ is faster.

I'm just trying to move the knight to allow Bg5+ but 13.Nxe4 doesn't work because after 13..fxe4 the queen on a5 covers the g5 square.

Actually my line doesn't seem to work since after 13.Nc4 Qa6 14.Nb6 cxb6 15.Bg5+ Kd6 16.Qd5+ Black now has ..Kc7.

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Mar-21-12  viking78: <solskytz> that's very interesting, hope to find on the net what you said, thanks a lot
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  doubledrooks: White ends matters with 13. Nc4 Qa6 (or Nxd4) 14. Bg5+ Kxf7 15. Nd6#.
Mar-21-12  WinKing: <gofer: No one has looked at 13 ... Be6. Am I crazy or is this a reasonable option for black? Okay it loses a piece, but it doesn't die immediately...>

No it doesn't lose immediately <gofer> you are right. Black hangs around for awhile but his game is awful. Here is what Rybka thinks in your line:

<13.Nc4 Be6 14.Bxe6 Qa6 15.Bg5+ Ke8> (if 15...Kxe6 16.Nb6+)

Rybka 3

16.Bf7+ Kd7<16...Kxf7 17.Nd6#)> 17.Na5 <(threatening 18.Qe6 mate)> Nxa5 18.Qd5+ Qd6 19.Qxf5+ Kc6 20.Na3<(threatening 21.Qb5 mate)> a6 21.d5+ Kb6 22.Be3+ c5 23.dxc6+ Kxc6 24.Rad1 <& now if the queen moves to get away 25.Qd5 is mate>.

But here we are at move 25 already which is much longer than Gossip lasted in the actual game. 13...Be6 is another move I missed as did most of us.

Mar-21-12  bachiller: Concerning triple checks, there is a story of Capablanca checkmating three kings at one time (on a legendary match against a Martian).

You can read it (in Spanish) here

Or hear and see it at

A little help: Rey = King, ahogado = stalemated, Negro = Black, D(ama) = Q(ueen), tablas = draw.

Mar-21-12  kellmano: <solskytz> Wouldn't it have to be a king in a double check, then moving another piece to open another line of attack?
Mar-21-12  Memethecat: I think Nc4 & blacks choices are grim, Mmm even a possible mate.

13Nc4 Qa6 14Ne5 Nxe5 15Bg5+ Kd6 16Qd5#


Siht, I thought I had that.

Nice finish

Mar-21-12  Memethecat: <Once> Avatar, worth a look. He's created a world were the best parts of us would love to live. I think its on tv this Sunday.
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  kevin86: I think that the theme is the same as the classic "Indian Problem".

First move:white attacks queen and allow an escape square for the king

Second move:White forces the king onto the created flight square.

Final move:white recovers the escape square AND attacks with the moving piece:DOUBLE check and mate!!

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  agb2002: The material is equal.

The black king will probably try to escape via d8.

White can incorporate more forces into attack with 13.Nc4 Qa6 14.Bg5+ Kxf7 15.Nd6#.

Mar-21-12  solskytz: <Kellmano> yeah, I guess :-]

Link to Monday's POTD, anybody?

Mar-21-12  tcoxon39: Surely black must have seen this mate coming, so why bother saving the queen?

13...Qd5 prevents mate at loss of queen, but gives black a chance to bolster his defenses.

14. Bxd5 h6 eliminates the Bg5+ threat

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  Pawn and Two: Last night I saw the game continuation, with mate in three.

Today, after another review, and reading the comments by others, I can see that Gossip was being helpful with his move 13...Qa6, allowing the quick checkmate.

Steinitz in the tournament book commented after 13...Qa6, <Giving up a piece by Be6 was the only move to save the mate or loss of a Queen, but, of course, the game was gone.>

Fritz indicates Black's best defense, in a hopeless position, is the following: 13...h6 14.Nxa5 Nxa5 15.Qd5 c6 16.Qxa5 b6 17.Qa6 Kxf7 18.Qb7.

Mar-21-12  lost in space: Got that easily
Mar-21-12  zakkzheng: Was this yesterdays problem?
Mar-21-12  BOSTER: <solskytz> <Link to Monday's POTD>.

Look at <dzechiel> comments. How I know he back from vacation on Monday.

Mar-21-12  SamAtoms1980: <solskytz: Link to Monday's POTD, anybody?>

K O'Brien vs D Salter, 2008

Mar-21-12  pogotheclown: Got that one pretty quick.
Mar-21-12  BOSTER: Not every King like to spend all his life in the castle. Castle is the castle, even somebody call it a palace.

This is why Black King decided to take active part in the war moving to e7.

After this battle chess world had a great possibility to see a lot, but ,nevertheless, many argue about the mysterious move 12.e8-e7. Many suggest that more that 100 y. ago the King had no right to move aside.

Mar-21-12  solskytz: <SamAtoms1980> and <Boster>

Thx!! :-]

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  Once: The challenge is to create a triple or even quadruple check.

The nearest I can get is this:

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If we are allowed a little artistic license, we might just about say that dxe7 is a quintuple check...

Okay, maybe not exactly within the laws of chess. But it seems more feasible that Capa playing martians.

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  chrisowen: Scheming or charmin c4 juiced, in ar good bark nd6 off.

i a nan queen a5 inceed aduced knight yer led in a6 then ado bg5+ kingf7

and 15.nd6# double in dig medusa queen in arch ave daggers at dawn d6

deep and a qb3 you eye f7 eg sick it black in e7s liege net in trident

king turned to stone <c4 bg5+ nd6# >-)

Chigorin changes double check out off nowhere in king up python our

Gossip blown away just like that nearly it really it is coop up a vipers

nod in c4 a6 g5 when he wanted to catch a victim un-aware.

Be6 us chuck le chintz out 13...be6 14.bxe6 qa6 15.nb6 too ( )

Etc back to change ng6 this wallows, castle long instead of it alive in

capitalising kingside a load off.

Crock i fannyin elastic again queen eager fiddle grabbing space ma h5 George in er cloud one for Mikhail to pour over dictum is the dogged

entrench c4 you wing tooth and claw going sting in from it re can a

knight dont ponce dear knight c4 over a6 in looks it success in forges

you see queen anvil earing hoops in word spring 12...ke7 ban d8 and mate


Mar-21-12  Patriot: Material is even.

Black threatens nothing.

I think the idea is to move the d2-knight with tempo to get the dark-square bishop in the game. 13.Nc4 looks strongest.

13.Nc4 Qa6 (the only safe square) 14.Bg5+ Kxf7 (only move) 15.Nd6#

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  FSR: Idle Gossip.
Dec-18-21  Whitehat1963: I hear he is susceptible to discovered checks right out of the opening. You might give that a thought.
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