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|May-16-13|| ||Diademas: Going back to the Anand/Agdestein inerview, I can totally side with the WC.
At 12:00 Agdestein says Anand is Champion simply because he can beat the players of his own generation. Thats disrespectful to say the least.
If the insult was calculated, or just a sign of clumsiness, really does not matter.
Simen got bitch slapped and he deserved it!
|May-16-13|| ||achieve: <tamar> Thanks - I'll navigate to that/there (help my english).|
<It's very subtle, so you can't really accuse Agdestein of being anti-Anand.> It wasn't that subtle upon closer examination, it may have been unintended, that way, but it revealed quite a lot. If it were much more subtle, then that would even be much better - from a "Norwegian" point of view. ;)
But we're all human, and I know my own behaviour during a world cup when I suddenly transformed into a nationalistic monter almost. But that is a long time ago, I hope.
|May-16-13|| ||Appaz: Diademas, why "simply"? It's a fact that Anand has become WC by beating his own generation. The question is innocent, although badly formulated and pronounced, as often from Agdestein. Nothing to get all worked up over.|
|May-16-13|| ||Diademas: Im not realy worked up and I dont think Anand was either, but I think his reaction was appropriate.|
|May-16-13|| ||bravado1: The other "official" reasons behind Anand's reaction might be:
1. The interview was already finished. They thanked Vishy and he was about to leave. Then, Simen asked him one more question, which Anand kindly answered. But the following question about the differences in approach between the two generations of players wasn't a short and easy one. A comprehensive answer in fact required another interview. Anand became irritated since first he had already finished his analysis of the game with Topalov, second, given the circumstances, the question appeared irrelevant.
2. There must be a big hype in Norway about Carlsen as the future world champion who will of course beat Vishy. Anand could feel that Simen indirectly wanted to raise this issue, and since it was brought up by a Norwegian in Norway, he did not expect neutrality and objectivity. |
These are just my wild guesses, though.
|May-16-13|| ||Rolfo: Well, may be I have a question for those scrutinizers here. Let say you are right (which you aren't), was it proper conduct by Anand to leave the scene this way leaving the hosts in uncertainty?|
|May-16-13|| ||pbercker: No One has yet mentioned this, but right before Simen asked his question, Anand was saying to the other commentator that he was going to rest ... and the commentator responded "ha ... so you're going to rest on your laurels?" ... Anand did not visibly react but surely that's an awkward thing to say even if only meant in a joking sort of way!|
|May-16-13|| ||Diademas: <<achieve> Simen is old and wise enough to speak for himself and remain neutral as an interviewer.> Well thats just it, he isn't neutral.
He has known Magnus since he (Magnus) was a toddler, he has trained and coached him for years and they know eachother intamately. His brother is Magnus manager and closest confidant. He might strive for some objectivety, but neutral hes not. I know that, you know that and Anand for sure knows that. Simen is about as neutral as Vishys mom. A good reason for him to be very careful when talking about anything in relation to Anands prospects against "the young guns". Sadly Simens "fingerspitzgefuhl" leaves a good deal to be desired. That is not to say hes not a nice guy. He is! But a bit clumsy - and here he got an appropriate smack over his fingers.|
<Rolfo> If you by hosts mean Agdesten, than yes!
I think he got just what he deserved.
|May-16-13|| ||achieve: <"ha ... so you're going to rest on your laurels?"> Ha yes - awkward bit of wordplay right there by dutch Dirk-Jan, after which they proceeded to discuss the benefits of a good nights sleep and a few long walks. After that it was clumsy-Simen-time.|
|May-16-13|| ||tamar: <pbercker> That's a great point. Dirk of course meant Anand had just gathered laurels, so to speak, by winning a great game against Topalov, so he could "rest" on them. But us scrutinizers noticed an awkward moment there as well.|
I don't think Anand has problems with either guy, and will probably say so.
What we witnessed in his interaction with Agdestein was a bit of prophylaxis, he saw the implications of Simen's line of thought while neither commentator was aware of any problem!
|May-16-13|| ||achieve: <Diademas> This may sound corny, but I could not agree with you more. Spot on imo.|
Regardless of "Fingerspitzengefuhl", if it was Timman questioning Anand about Giri's generation I would expect more [self-control] of him. Enough already. There is already too much prestige, money and contracts riding on this one.
|May-16-13|| ||Rolfo: Diademas, you are still wrong I think. Btw, I like your avatar :)|
|May-16-13|| ||paulalbert: I watched the interview being referred to and think the discussion here seems to be really making a mountain out of a mole hill. The reference to "laurels" was an obvious joking play on words, and Simen's question on different approaches to chess by older vs. younger generations seemed to be a legitimate, but somewhat provocative, chess journalist question. Obviously, at the present time, not one Vishy wanted to deal with, so he in effect said it was premature. I don't think Simen being Norwegian and having a prior relationship with Magnus, including the indirect current relationship with his brother being Magnus' manager, disqualifies him from asking provocative questions, and Vishy doesn't have to answer, which he didn't. Some tension between reporters and sporting figures is normal. I doubt either Simen or Vishy, with both of whom I've had some prior contact, would take this little repartee as other than a somewhat humorous form of verbal fencing; nor would I anticipate it would have any effect on their personal relationship, which I expect is friendly.|
|May-16-13|| ||Diademas: Glad you liked it <Rolfo>.
Im about to get tired of it so it might change soon.
Ha en flott 17. mai!
PS! Det var vel ikke deg som stakk av med de 216 millionene der oppe? :-$
|May-16-13|| ||Rolfo: paulalbert expresses what I think much better than I can do myself :)|
|May-16-13|| ||Rolfo: Diademas, sorry it wasn't me, I could easily manage with 1% of that amount and even invite you for a beer someplace. The lucky winner lives in Tromsø, not far from my place|
|May-16-13|| ||achieve: C'est le ton qui fait la musique.|
|May-16-13|| ||Tabanus: The winner is not me either.
I think Simen made a kind of "joke" and meant to be funny, but got too MC-enthusiastic to Anand's taste.
|May-16-13|| ||Tabanus: No big deal I think. Anand just didn't want to comment on the "new generation" (= Magnus) right now.|
And not until afterwards.
|May-16-13|| ||Tabanus: http://www.chessmetrics.com/cm/PL/P... has Simen A. as World no. 13 in 1992.|
|May-16-13|| ||Eyal: According to Elo ratings his peak ranking was no.16-19, in mid-1989, and peak number 2630 (no.20-23 at the time), in January 1993: http://www.olimpbase.org/Elo/player....|
|May-16-13|| ||Rolfo: And I think our friend J Sonas ranked him even higher|
|May-16-13|| ||Diademas: <Rolfo> If you should win, I'll take that beer at Carma, Øverbygd, Inner-Troms.
If that hell hole still exists...|
|May-16-13|| ||waustad: I suspect <Tabanus> nailed it and I'm sorry I started the whole discussion.|
|May-17-13|| ||Rolfo: <<Rolfo> If you should win, I'll take that beer at Carma, Øverbygd, Inner-Troms. If that hell hole still exists...>|
I see, you once did your drafted service there.. Luckily I live at the coast, not far from Øverbygd though. A beer no problem anyway :)
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