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Tiggler
Member since May-04-12 · Last seen May-25-13
I am only a butterfly dreaming of being Chuang Zhu, dreaming of being Tiggler.

Favorite WCs all time: Kasporov, Alekine, Botvinnik, Lasker, Capablanca. Best of the rest: Nimzovitch, Rubinstein, Korchnoi, Keres. Bring back the 24 game WC matches and 12+ game candidates matches so that we can have heroic champs and challengers again. Kasparov, Alekhine, Botvinnik, Lasker, Capablanca, Steinitz, Nimzovitch, Tal, Morphy, Anand, Karpov, Fischer, Rubinstein, Keres ....

Apart from actual chess, the two topics that keep me coming back to this site are the mysteries of the Elo and related ratings schemes, and the the even more strange oddities of chess search engines.

With respect to ratings, I don't mean the routine operation of the calculations, but the scale which these operations create, sui gerenis. What is the mathematical basis, and is it reduceable to a Haar measure? Is there any reality hiding behing the statistical artifact? Are there undiscovered truths about the distribution of ratings points, and do they regress to the mean?

Engines are a big mystery to us. Not so big a mystery to us as we to them, however. <DcGentle> has a zealous purpose to create an engine that understands positional chess. If he succeeds, he will also create an engine that might be mistaken for a human, and whose moves will be explicable. My interest is more prosaic: to understand the engines in their own terms. Why do they not seem to perform correct searches at the depth they advertise. Would a better search result in more "chessic truth"? They are designed to win at short(ish) time controls, and compromise their searches to do it. But CC players need the really best moves, not some practical compromise. They don't build engines for that, so how can we trick the engines that we do have into finding the best moves, and not just winning because their blunders are not awful?

These questions lack answers, so if you have the answers, please be so kind as to post them in my chessforum.

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   Tiggler has kibitzed 2512 times to chessgames   [more...]
   May-25-13 Kamsky vs Grischuk, 2013
 
Tiggler: <haydn20: <Eyal><<In fact the whole plan with ...Bh8 and ...Ng7 seems just too slow in the KID, where Black needs to get rolling on the Qside.> As I mentioned, it wasn't so much a "plan" as scrambling, after realizing that the Bh6-f4 plan to exchange bishops is ...
 
   May-24-13 Kenneth Rogoff (replies)
 
Tiggler: <al wazir> <collapse over Skagit River shuts down main route between Seattle and Canada> One time, when planning to attend a meeting in Seattle, I asked a business associate who was a long-time resident of that city what there was to do there. After a pause, he replied,
 
   May-23-13 al wazir chessforum (replies)
 
Tiggler: <brankat> One rabid dog is the same as another.
 
   May-23-13 Kibitzer's Café (replies)
 
Tiggler: <Wayne> That's just how he likes his steak cooked.
 
   May-23-13 Magnus Carlsen (replies)
 
Tiggler: <Rolfo: Jackpawn tries to give an rational explanation, while Kramnik talk aborut what he observes in an irrational way> Probably Kramnik does not know <jack>.
 
   May-23-13 FIDE Grand Prix Thessaloniki (2013) (replies)
 
Tiggler: <DcGentle: Grischuk vs Nakamura, 2013 was a great battle> That comment is quite correct, but this one is incomprehensible, if <hellopolgar> saw the game: <Maybe Naka just doesn't care anymore.> I missed the live game feed, but just played it over. An epic struggle.
 
   May-22-13 Travis Bickle chessforum (replies)
 
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   May-22-13 Tiggler chessforum (replies)
 
Tiggler: <cormier> Is that Carlsen or Capa? Or both, perhaps.
 
   May-20-13 Wesley So (replies)
 
Tiggler: WTTW = Word to the wise.
 
   May-20-13 Hans Arild Runde
 
Tiggler: <frogbert> I hope you got well lubricated with fish oil and potato vodka. Both do wonders for tired bones.
 
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May-09-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  Tiggler: Sorry <OCF>. If it makes you feel better, I did remember and went looking for it, but you posted the link before I could.

Blue Yodel No 9: T for Tiggler

The World vs Akobian, 2012

But you never did invite me to your family reunion, that you said was so engaging as to put CG.com squabbles in the shade.

May-09-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  Tiggler: Sorry, that was Blue Yodel No 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEIB...

May-10-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  DcGentle: <Tiggler>: Yes, Chinese wisdom is rooted in the very past, and older than any western achievements in that regard.

Well, my comments on the Norway super tournament can be read on the live game pages of <chessgames.com>. I admit, sometimes I don't say much, but sometimes less is more. ;-)

I hope it's fun today. Yesterday Carlsen displayed his typical unambitious opening against Anand and couldn't achieve anything. You know, this guy will have a problem in the future, if other top players will have seen through his positional style, and then he might easily get a draw but not more. It's not enough in chess to only obstruct the opponent's game, you have at least to try to get a seizable advantage, and not only in the later stages of the game, because it might be too late then. Maybe Anand will show him already in November, what a real opening preparation is worth of.

Apropos opening, no one has commented on my positional queen sac at move 13 that you can find here (DcGentle chessforum). I was discussing the Morra with <PawnSac>, but he lost connection due to technical problems... he has a forum himself now, too. :-) BTW, there I have explained how you can produce a link to any kibitz on your forum or elsewhere. You need the <search kibitzing> feature on the Premium Member Page for this.

Later,
<DC>

May-11-13  Travis Bickle: This tune will give ya a lift. ; P

http://youtu.be/xy7G8vhOuCk

May-13-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  DcGentle: <Tiggler> Did you read what I wrote about Carlsen, who refuses to study openings? I wouldn't describe it so drastically on the tournament pages, but one of the conclusions must be that some day someone coming along stuffed with novelties will give Carlsen a hard time...

And I could imagine that this someone could be Anand in their match for the World Championship. Anand wouldn't have missed <29. Bb5> like Karjakin did today, I am quite sure.

May-13-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  Tiggler: <DcGentle> Yes, I did read that post, and others in similar vein. But I am not sure I agree. Carlsen is not the only one who plays openings that quickly get him to, say, -0.3 (if he is white). I've seen Kramnik and Nakamura do that too, but only when they are playing opponents that they consider to be weaker, or when they have to win. My guess is that there are almost no early novelties that do not have this result. That's why they are novelties.

I assume that Carlsen considers <everyone> to be weaker, so he plays these "weak" openings against <everyone>.

May-14-13  cormier: i want to thank-you for you help a month ago on the Rogoff forum ... and tks G 2
May-14-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  Tiggler: <cormier> I only have a vague recollection of the incident, but thank you for the thank you. I do remember being a bit surprised to find you in that den of vipers, but I assume you go where you have to to do the Lord's work.
May-15-13  cormier: yep ... usually .... tks G ..... have a good day sir
May-15-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  DcGentle: <Tiggler>: Hi, we had a nice talk about Carlsen's way to play the openings.

I am still a bit surprised, that a guy of his caliber is content with mediocre opening variants... I mean, in the long run, these long games must be immensely exhausting, just this point alone should be an incentive for him trying to achieve something more positive for himself early in the game.

Your argument that it could be a kind of gambit gave me food for thought.

And even today's game against Hammer was not an exception, this guy being 240 ELO below Carlsen's level, had an equal game against him before he blundered at move 26 (!) with <27. Nb5?>. *hmmm*

I will study Carlsen's games later, I mean he knows something about positional play, and this is rather valuable. I have figured ONE part of positional play recently, that is creating and exploiting restrictions. But there is a positive side there as well, this is concentrating the own forces as preparation of the ensuing tactical action.

An engine that can play positionally doesn't need either opening books nor endgame tables. And this is my objective! ;-)

May-15-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  Tiggler: <DcG> Yes, food for thought. What made me think about it was your criticism of his opening play. I thought, wait a minute, I can't fathom yet what he does right. One has to understand that before deciding what he does wrong. The two might be one and the same, or at least opposite sides of the same coin.
May-15-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  DcGentle: <Tiggler>: *hmmmm* Somewhere I have read that he should have conceded to be a bit lazy, oh well, who is not at times. ;-)

Working through opening lines can be tedious, I have done it myself, and regarding the Alekhine defense, where I just finished analyzing the first round, I know that I achieved something. But I also know that there remains to do something.

But on the other hand, chess can be like a bottomless pit in this regard. So openings relying on tactical play, where you have only some possible choices, can be more easily covered than the general case, where positional and tactical play are mixed.

And Carlsen prefers the positional part, there is no doubt about it. A positional move got Hammer flustered today, as <Eyal> reports on the game page, it was apparently so surprising that Hammer lost his train of thought.

Interesting.

May-16-13  Travis Bickle: Thanks for all the music man!

Jeepster - T. Rex
http://youtu.be/YcalYx51nwo

May-16-13  Travis Bickle: Safe As Milk - Captain Beefheart
http://youtu.be/BKRU2heFEm8
May-16-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  DcGentle: <Tiggler> Well, I see, you are engaged in the Kenneth Rogoff pages. Although I could contribute something to the ongoing "debate" there, I can refrain myself. I don't like the climate, and this is noticeable after you read only one page. Oh dear.
May-16-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan: <DcG> yeah, it's not for the faint of heart. I always compartmentalize things, so anyone who's on my last nerve there can still be a valued teammate in a World game, or a person I share jokes or sports stories with on other pages.
May-16-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  Tiggler: <DcGentle> and <OCF> Not engaged, I just do a few drive-by shootings there from time to time..
May-16-13  cormier: carsen has many good ideas ...
May-17-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  Tiggler: <cormier> Do you notice any particular pattern or style to his ideas? The most common comparison is to Capablaca, and I think that's right. But it was also difficult to pinpoint Capa's method. Botvinnik referred to his phenomenal move searching ability. I believe there must have been more to it than that.
May-18-13  Travis Bickle: Good Morning Tiggler ; P

http://youtu.be/lzhSbBftWtk

May-18-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  Tiggler: Thanks <Travis>. Got up at 5am, only to find that Carlsen had already drawn his game. But now it is 7:45 and Karjakin and Topalov are still battling.
May-21-13  cormier: he know how and when to make a positional sacrifice and exploit it
May-22-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  Tiggler: <cormier> Is that Carlsen or Capa? Or both, perhaps.
May-22-13  Travis Bickle: Yo Tiggler here's a Treat for your ears! ; P

Albert King & Stevie Ray Vaughan complete tape!
http://youtu.be/gZB57b3lPQE

May-22-13  cormier: Carlsen
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