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Tal Memorial Moves Prediction Contest

<Main Focus>: Predicting how many moves in a game for each pairing.

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<OhioChessFan> Nor13:StdMvRnk(1) + BonusRnk(3) + StdMv/Bonus(1) + 1stRanker(1)

<Golden Executive> Nor13:BonusRnk(1) + StdMv/Bonus(2)

<twinlark> Nor13:StdMvRnk(2) + 1stRanker(2)

<lostemperor> Nor13:BonusRnk(2) + StdMv/Bonus(3)

<PinnedPiece> Nor13:StdMvRnk(3) + 1stRanker(3)

<Format>:

[player]-[player] [result] [# of MOVES]

==4 Different Scoring Methods==

Standard Moves Ranker (1st place-Over[3pts], 1st place-Under [7pts], Exact [10pts])

Bonus Ranker (3rd place-Over[1pts],2nd place-Over[2pts],3rd place-Under [5pts], 2nd place-Under [6pts]

Standard Moves/Bonus Ranker [Add all to together]

1st place Ranker [how many 1st place you have in Standard Moves Ranker]

For example:

<Note: Participants 3, 4, and 5 are predicated on nobody scoring an exact as Participant 2 did. If someone hits an exact, the closest score under and over will score the points for second place.>

Actual Game: [player]-[player] 0-1 45

Participant 1: [player]-[player] 1/2 45
Participant 2: [player]-[player] 0-1 45
Participant 3: [player]-[player] 0-1 44
Participant 4: [player]-[player] 0-1 43
Participant 5: [player]-[player] 0-1 46

Participant 1: No points even though 45 is correct. Results must be correct. If Result is wrong and moves # is correct...you get no points whatsoever

Participant 2: 10 pts rewarded for correct Result/moves #

Participant 3: 7 pts rewarded for closest under (1st-Under) to 45 moves

Participant 4: 6 pts rewarded for the 2nd closest under (2nd-Under) to 45 moves.

Participant 5: 3 pts rewarded closest OVER(1st-OVER) to 45 moves.

Again, the description of Participant 3, 4, and 5 are based on there being no exact prediction as made by Participant 2.

<IF> there is an exact or an under closest, the highest scoring over participant will be 2nd over. The second closest over will be 3rd over. The <ONLY> time there will be a first over is if there is no exact or under winner.

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Tal Memorial Moves Prediction

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< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 370 OF 370 ·  Later Kibitzing>
Jun-18-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: Btw. what happened to <Over, 3 points: [] >

in <Karjakin-Mamedyarov, 1/2-1/2 in 43 moves>? Why is not that awarded?

Jun-18-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  twinlark: Round 5

Gelfand - Morozevich 1/2 34
Carlsen - Anand 1/2 28
Nakamura - Andreikin 1-0 44
Mamedyarov - Caruana 1/2 34
Kramnik - Karjakin 1/2 40

Jun-18-13  wordfunph: Round 5

Gelfand - Morozevich 1/2 44
Carlsen - Anand 1/2 36
Nakamura - Andreikin 1/2 44
Mamedyarov - Caruana 1/2 44
Kramnik - Karjakin 1/2 36

Jun-18-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  SwitchingQuylthulg: Round 5:

Gelfand - Morozevich 1/2 36
Carlsen - Anand 1/2 39
Nakamura - Andreikin 1-0 45
Mamedyarov - Caruana 1-0 19
Kramnik - Karjakin 1/2 29

Jun-18-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  whiteshark: <Round 5> Rien ne va plus...
Jun-18-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan: <lostemperor: Btw. what happened to <Over, 3 points: [] > in <Karjakin-Mamedyarov, 1/2-1/2 in 43 moves>? Why is not that awarded?>

It wasn't awarded because there was an exact. If there is an exact or an under, then the closest over will be second. Per the instructions on my header:

<<IF> there is an exact or an under closest, the highest scoring over participant will be 2nd over. The second closest over will be 3rd over. The <ONLY> time there will be a first over is if there is no exact or under winner.>

As for the idea of 5 point groupings, that's interesting, but I kind of like how hard it is to score.

Jun-18-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: Okay that figures I think;)

Well it is up to <chessmoron>, if he will consider a different score system where no one gets heavily disadvantaged for predicting over instead of under and may be better off to predict lower rathe than higher. Contestants should be encouraged to predict exactly what he or she expects without extreme disadvantages.

Jun-18-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan: K In game update K

Vishy blundered early and Carlsen won an easy game in 29 moves. Naka and Andreikin played a harmless 23 move draw. Gelfand is winning early against Moro. 28 moves in, Kramnik-Karjakin looks like a quick draw. Mamedyarov-Caruana is even but seems to have a lot of play on both sides.

Jun-18-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  chessmoron: K Tal 2013: <Round 5> Results K

<Carlsen-Anand, 1-0 in 29 moves.>

Exact, 10 points: []
Under, 7 points: []
2nd Under, 6 points: []
3rd Under, 5 points: []
Over, 3 points: [['OhioChessFan', '1-0', '38']]
2nd Over, 2 points: [['Robin01', '1-0', '41']]
3rd Over, 1 point1: [['whiteshark', '1-0', '62']]

===

<Gelfand-Morozevich, 1-0 in 33 moves.>

Exact, 10 points: []
Under, 7 points: []
2nd Under, 6 points: []
3rd Under, 5 points: []
Over, 3 points: [['PinnedPiece', '1-0', '38']]
2nd Over, 2 points: [['lostemperor', '1-0', '40']]
3rd Over, 1 point1: [['whiteshark', '1-0', '46']]

===

<Kramnik-Karjakin, 1/2-1/2 in 40 moves.>

Exact, 10 points: [['twinlark', '1/2-1/2', '40'], ['chessmoron', '1/2-1/2', '40']]

Under, 7 points: []
2nd Under, 6 points: [['WinKing', '1/2-1/2', '38']]

3rd Under, 5 points: [['wordfunph', '1/2-1/2', '36'], ['Golden Executive', '1/2-1/2', '36']]

Over, 3 points: []
2nd Over, 2 points: [['lostemperor', '1/2-1/2', '42']] 3rd Over, 1 point1: []

===

<Mamedyarov-Caruana, 1/2-1/2 in 46 moves.>

Exact, 10 points: []
Under, 7 points: [['wordfunph', '1/2-1/2', '44']]
2nd Under, 6 points: [['lostemperor', '1/2-1/2', '41']]

3rd Under, 5 points: [['WinKing', '1/2-1/2', '38']]
Over, 3 points: []
2nd Over, 2 points: [['Robin01', '1/2-1/2', '61']]
3rd Over, 1 point1: []

===

<Nakamura-Andreikin, 1/2-1/2 in 23 moves.>

Exact, 10 points: []
Under, 7 points: []
2nd Under, 6 points: []
3rd Under, 5 points: []
Over, 3 points: [['Golden Executive', '1/2-1/2', '36']]

2nd Over, 2 points: [['Penguincw', '1/2-1/2', '37']]
3rd Over, 1 point1: [['Robin01', '1/2-1/2', '40']]

Jun-18-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  chessmoron: Round 5 Summary:

Perfect # moves predictions for this round goes to:

<twinlark> and <chessmoron>

Highest scores in the Bonus Ranker: 11 points <WinKing>

Results:

Moves Ranker - Through <Round 5>

Score, UserID, Over, Under, Exact

45, wordfunph, 0, 5, 1
27, PinnedPiece, 2, 3, 0
17, chessmoron, 0, 1, 1
17, whiteshark, 1, 2, 0
10, OhioChessFan, 1, 1, 0
10, Ragh, 1, 1, 0
10, twinlark, 0, 0, 1
7, lost in space, 0, 1, 0
7, lostemperor, 0, 1, 0
7, Robin01, 0, 1, 0
3, Golden Executive, 1, 0, 0
0, Penguincw, 0, 0, 0
0, SwitchingQuylthulg, 0, 0, 0
0, The Last Straw, 0, 0, 0
0, WinKing, 0, 0, 0

===

Bonus Ranker - Through <Round 5>

Score, UserID, 3-Over, 2-Over, 3-Under, 2-Under

42, lostemperor, 0, 3, 0, 6
32, WinKing, 1, 2, 3, 2
14, Golden Executive, 1, 1, 1, 1
13, Robin01, 2, 3, 1, 0
11, wordfunph, 0, 0, 1, 1
9, twinlark, 1, 1, 0, 1
8, chessmoron, 1, 1, 1, 0
8, OhioChessFan, 1, 1, 1, 0
8, Penguincw, 0, 1, 0, 1
7, The Last Straw, 0, 1, 1, 0
6, Ragh, 1, 0, 1, 0
5, SwitchingQuylthulg, 0, 0, 1, 0
5, whiteshark, 3, 1, 0, 0
0, lost in space, 0, 0, 0, 0
0, PinnedPiece, 0, 0, 0, 0

===

Moves+Bonus Ranker - Through <Round 5>

Score, UserID

56, wordfunph
49, lostemperor
32, WinKing
27, PinnedPiece
25, chessmoron
22, whiteshark
20, Robin01
19, twinlark
18, OhioChessFan
17, Golden Executive
16, Ragh
8, Penguincw
7, The Last Straw
7, lost in space
5, SwitchingQuylthulg

===

Moves Ranker (# of 1st place UNDER/OVER) - Through <Round 5>

Score,UserID

6, wordfunph
5, PinnedPiece
3, whiteshark
2, chessmoron
2, OhioChessFan
2, Ragh
1, Golden Executive
1, lost in space
1, lostemperor
1, Robin01
1, twinlark
0, Penguincw
0, SwitchingQuylthulg
0, The Last Straw

0, WinKing

Jun-18-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan: No changes in the leaders today. A 9 round tournament seems mighty short. 4 rounds to go.
Jun-18-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  Robin01: Round 6 Predictions:

Morozevich - Karjakin 1/2 36
Caruana - Kramnik 1/2 35
Andreikin - Mamedyarov 0-1 43
Anand - Nakamura 1/2 35
Gelfand - Carlsen 1/2 36

Jun-18-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  chessmoron: Morozevich - Karjakin 1/2 36
Caruana - Kramnik 1/2 32
Andreikin - Mamedyarov 1/2 35
Anand - Nakamura 1/2 40
Gelfand - Carlsen 1/2 37
Jun-18-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan: Morozevich - Karjakin 1/2 41
Caruana - Kramnik 1/2 30
Andreikin - Mamedyarov 1/2 47
Anand - Nakamura 1/2 28
Gelfand - Carlsen 1/2 44
Jun-19-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  WinKing: Round 6 Wed June 19

Morozevich - Karjakin 1/2 37
Caruana - Kramnik 1/2 37
Andreikin - Mamedyarov 1/2 37
Anand - Nakamura 1/2 37
Gelfand - Carlsen 1/2 37

Jun-19-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: Round 6:

Morozevich - Karjakin 0-1 43
Caruana - Kramnik 1/2 30
Andreikin - Mamedyarov 1/2 38
Anand - Nakamura 1-0 45
Gelfand - Carlsen 1/2 26

Jun-19-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  Golden Executive: Round 6

Morozevich - Karjakin 1/2 35
Caruana - Kramnik 1/2 35
Andreikin - Mamedyarov 1/2 35
Anand - Nakamura 1/2 35
Gelfand - Carlsen 1/2 35

Jun-19-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  twinlark: Round 6:

Morozevich - Karjakin 1-0 38
Caruana - Kramnik 1/2 37
Andreikin - Mamedyarov 1/2 44
Anand - Nakamura 1/2 32
Gelfand - Carlsen 1/2 45

Jun-19-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  whiteshark: Round 6

Morozevich - Karjakin 1/2 55
Caruana - Kramnik 1-0 43
Andreikin - Mamedyarov 1/2 28
Anand - Nakamura 0-1 47
Gelfand - Carlsen 1-0 39

Jun-19-13  wordfunph: Round 6

Morozevich - Karjakin 1/2 44
Caruana - Kramnik 1/2 43
Andreikin - Mamedyarov 1/2 37
Anand - Nakamura 1/2 32
Gelfand - Carlsen 1/2 43

Jun-19-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  SwitchingQuylthulg: Round 6:

Morozevich - Karjakin 1/2 38
Caruana - Kramnik 1/2 40
Andreikin - Mamedyarov 1/2 39
Anand - Nakamura 0-1 23
Gelfand - Carlsen 0-1 30

Jun-19-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  SwitchingQuylthulg: Round 6 games have started.
Jun-19-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan: K In game update K

Caruana-Kramnik is a strange game where Kramnik needs to keep finding only moves to hold a Rook down draw. All the other games are fairly even, though Moro is a little better than Karjakin. Lots of time being used in the first 20 moves so there's always time trouble possibilities.

Jun-19-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: I believe I have a correct prediction there since Kramnik drew Caruana in 30 moves!:)
Jun-19-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: And so does <OhioChessFan> I noticed!;)
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