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Hi, I'm your friendly Chessgames database librarian. My job is to make the database better by processing correction slips.

I'll be using this forum to ask for help when something needs more research. You can use this forum for the same purpose, to get others' input on possible errors or duplicates.

If you've submitted a correction there's no need to post here about it. I will see the correction slip and it will be fixed as soon as possible. Thanks!

A few notes:

1. As you probably know, there's currently a long backlog of corrections. From now on, new corrections will get priority, while I also chip away at the older ones. If you submit a new slip on something that isn't fixed yet, that will bump it up to the top and it will get fixed faster. Please be judicious about this.

2. Probably due to the backlog, volunteer bio editors have started to put "aka" and a duplicate player link in bios. Please don't do this, just submit a correction slip. Similarly, if there's a problem with a player name (such as first and last name reversed), submit a slip on it rather than putting it in the bio, so it can get changed in the database.

3. We also try to delete kibitzes about errors that would be confusing once the error is fixed, so the more you keep the corrections to the correction slip, the less extra work for me and the faster I can correct the database.

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   CG Librarian has kibitzed 21 times to chessgames   [more...]
   Jun-04-12 CG Librarian chessforum (replies)
 
CG Librarian: OK, here are a few things I wanted to mention: 1. I got a copy of Chess Personalia (quite a while ago now) :) 2. The reason CG put a hyphen in Spanish double last names was so the database software didn't get confused about what the last name was (for things like the Player ...
 
   Nov-03-11 European Team Championship (2011) (replies)
 
CG Librarian: <Slaven MNE> You're right. We also had the wrong Georgiev. I think the error must have gotten propagated from the official site.
 
   Aug-08-11 World Junior Championships (2011) (replies)
 
CG Librarian: Here's the situation with incorrect game scores for this tournament: we first received many truncated games, then the correct versions. I've removed all the incorrect duplicate games that affect the leaderboards. If you see more please submit a correction slip on them.
 
   May-28-11 World Championship Candidates Final (2011) (replies)
 
CG Librarian: <alexmagnus: Actually if you do the search now you get +9 -5 =27. One Gelfand win from 1990s, present just a week ago, now magically disappeared... Maybe it was attributed to some different players.> Hello, I just saw this. The stats changed because I merged away a ...
 
   May-08-11 chessgames.com chessforum (replies)
 
CG Librarian: <Domdaniel: Welcome, o Eager and Bright database administrator person.> Thanks, and hello everyone! My chessforum is now available for correction-related comments. I'm sure I'll also be posting things that need additional research, so check back often.
 
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Jan-31-13
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  jnpope: I just figured nobody was actually looking at the PGN submissions any longer or I was on some "ignore this user" list. So the new question is... WTH happened to my December and January submissions? I'm not going to bother submitting things if the submissions are just going to /dev/null.
Jan-31-13
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  SwitchingQuylthulg: <jnpope> Having to wait for a couple months until your submissions turn up in the database isn't really that unusual. There are plenty of other users in the same queue :)
Jan-31-13
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  jnpope: <SwitchingQuylthulg>: This why I asked just how long the backlog was...

If they actually got the submissions and are just backed up until July, I fully understand, but they appear to be saying they need a PGN copy when I've submitted it as PGN twice, which makes me wonder if they ever got the submissions.

Jan-31-13
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  jnpope: Perhaps there should be some place on the site that tells you what the current submission/correction wait-time is:

"Corrections submitted today will be corrected on or around DAY/MONTH/YEAR based upon the number of entries waiting to be processed" type of thing... it shouldn't take too much effort to check the number of entries in the queue and multiply by some time factor to get an estimated wait-time...

Feb-09-13  Karpova: <CG Librarian>
The two games of Giambattista Lolli - C Lolli vs D Ercole Del Rio, 1755 and C Lolli vs NN, 1750 - are shown as <C Lolli vs ...> despite Lolli's forename being Giambattista so it should be <G Lolli>.
Feb-09-13
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  jessicafischerqueen: Good morning.

Would you please change this name Baron Tassilo Heydebrand und der Lasa to its proper form?

It is absolutely incorrect without the "von."

Baron Tassilo <von> Heydebrand und der Lasa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tassil...

Thanks in advance.

Feb-11-13
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  chessgames.com: We went ahead and fixed Baron Tassilo von Heydebrand und der Lasa, although we did not do as the correction slip suggested, which was to eliminate the "Baron" altogether. (We might have been persuaded to do so, but he didn't really state his case.)

Personally I rather like titles of nobilities for the few historical figures like Prince Dadian and Count Isouard. It helps place their games in historical context.

Another peripheral question comes up: what's the best "short form" of his name, for purposes of his games such as Von Der Lasa vs Mayet, 1839. Right now we use "Von Der Lasa." That abbreviation may be correct, or maybe not--if somebody has a good feel for these kinds of names please elaborate.

Feb-11-13
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  Annie K.: <cg> In that case, I'd definitely go for including the 'Baron' part in the short form - his name/title actually means 'Tassilo, Baron of Heydebrand and The Lasa'. So a "last name" may be phrased as 'Baron von Heydebrand und Der Lasa', or just 'Baron von Heydebrand', or 'Baron von Der Lasa', but without the Baron part, it doesn't really mean anything. :)
Feb-11-13
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  chessgames.com: <On the subject of backlogs> There are a little over 2000 correction slips now. This is really tremendous progress considering that the CG Librarian started with some 6000+. The only reason that we aren't down to less than 100 slips is that new ones have been coming in at a breakneck speed now that people see they actually get tended to.

The reason why there always seems to be this stubborn block of 2000-2500 slips is mostly because now we're coping with the really hard correction slips; ones that were read, we said "oy!" and then went on to grab low-hanging fruit.

Often we get slips of the form "I'm not really sure but it's a good guess that this H Schmidt is really Harvey Schmidt from Connecticut..." and we're not sure how seriously we can take that advice. To get to the bottom of this, research is required. Likewise, the player who is a little better over the board loses at move 38 ... curiously before time control. People will submit a note saying "nobody would resign there", but perhaps there is a story we don't know.

We don't know if it's possible for us to do all this research but we hate to delete a slip entirely--after all, the guy could easily be right.

So it should be obvious why the Librarian doesn't process slips in a strictly "first come first serve order". You really wouldn't like it if she operated that way; it would mean that your correction slip today will be stuck for a few months minimum. So she plays a kind of juggling act: tending to the people who have been waiting the longest overall, but also tending to the people who have been waiting a few days for some simple request.

It might not be the most efficient or fair system, but no slips get lost, so in the end we should be able to review every single case and accomplish the job as well as it can possibly be done.

Feb-11-13
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  OhioChessFan: <The only reason that we aren't down to less than 100 slips >

I am betting The Librarian would admonish you to use "fewer than".

Feb-11-13
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  WannaBe: I'm betting The Librarian is hanging out with <Phony Benoni>. If you get my drift.

Probably doing shots of Dr Pepper.

Feb-12-13
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  OhioChessFan: http://www.redbookmag.com/cm/redboo...
Feb-12-13
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  jessicafischerqueen: <Annie>, <CG.com>

In English, both in the past and currently, "Von der Lasa" has been the most common short term used, and by a wide margin, at least in my own reading experience.

It's used as the short term (or "last name") in Tim Harding's 2013 "Eminent Victorian Chess Players," for example, exactly the same as we already have at our website Von Der Lasa vs Loewenthal, 1846.

I'm pro Baron for the long form of his name, but I strongly advise that the traditionally and currently used short term for the player should be kept- Von der Lasa- even if it's wrong as <Annie> points out.

Feb-12-13  Karpova: <chessgames.com: We don't know if it's possible for us to do all this research but we hate to delete a slip entirely--after all, the guy could easily be right.>

Why don't you post some of those research requiring slips in here or the biographer bistro so that the members can help you?

Feb-12-13
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  Alien Math: <Often we get slips of the form "I'm not really sure but it's a good guess that this H Schmidt is really Harvey Schmidt from Connecticut..." and we're not sure how seriously we can take that advice. To get to the bottom of this, research is required.

We don't know if it's possible for us to do all this research but we hate to delete a slip entirely--after all, the guy could easily be right.> Possible to provide a forum with additional information's on submission slips requested by Librarian?

As <Karpova> suggest extra eyes could find variety of notes

Feb-12-13
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  jessicafischerqueen: I agree with <Karpova>. You are already trusting the biogaphers a great deal, why not make use of them further to take some of the load off the Librarian?
Feb-13-13
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  crawfb5: <WannaBe: I'm betting The Librarian is hanging out with <Phony Benoni>. If you get my drift.

Probably doing shots of Dr Pepper.>

I note that back in the day, the advertising all read Dr<.> Pepper, and the period got dropped somewhere along the way. I suppose it's all part of the general decline of Western civilization...

Feb-13-13
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  TheFocus: Oh, wonderful Dr Pepper!

Diet Dr Pepper is also a wonderful drink. The best of all diet sodas.

Another great thing, like <TheFocus>, to come out of Texas.

Of course, there is a big difference in taste ever since they began using high fructose corn syrup. But I shall still drink it.

I better stop now. My bib is covered with drool.

Nurse. I'll have a Dr Pepper. No, the drink. I don't need the doctor.

Feb-13-13
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  perfidious: <Dr Pepper> is an elixir of life.
Feb-13-13
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  WannaBe: I'm a Diet Coke drinker... :-)
Feb-13-13
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  Phony Benoni: Well, that explains it.
Feb-14-13
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  TheFocus: Yep. So now we know. Mystery solved.
Feb-14-13
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  OhioChessFan: Diet Mt. Dew. No contest.
Feb-14-13
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  perfidious: <OCF> I know a fellow who is in his early sixties, works out three times a week, takes care of himself in other ways, but Diet Mountain Dew is his one weakness.
Apr-16-13
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  suenteus po 147: <CG Librarian> Hello! I've been out of touch with the site the last year or so, but I'm back with a burning desire to help clean up the site and get some historically important tournament collections completed. To this end, I'd like to finish Frankfurt 1887, but that means fixing two very error-ridden games. I'd like to bring to your attention Schiffers vs Burn, 1887 and W Paulsen vs Bird, 1885 I've already filled out correction slips, but if you could place these high in priority, I'd greatly appreciate it. You do amazing work here!
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