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May-23-13
 | | OhioChessFan: <kb2: There were not even inditements against any but Jude Mohammed nor any real proof offered> Do you understand the legal difference between a death penalty issued against a criminal defendant who's been apprehended and held at trial, and a military action against an enemy combatant? Your posts suggest not. |
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May-23-13
 | | Shams: <OCF> By 'criminal' you mean someone who has broken any law ever, right? |
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May-23-13
| | Shams: <kb2ct> <Aside from the fact that most American judges do not believe in the death penalty> Source for this? I know there's a backlog of requests for citations from you, but as you keep making bald assertions I assume you're up to the workload. |
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| May-23-13 | | Jim Bartle: <Smells of orchestration to me. > Cue "The Twilight Zone" theme. |
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May-23-13
 | | kb2ct: <OhioChessFan:>
How many of the seven Americans killed were declared "enemy combattants"?? I doubt any actually were, but certainly not teenagers. <Shams:>
The death penalty does not happen in most "blue states" I know that it does not happen in my state although it used to. :0) |
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| May-23-13 | | Colonel Mortimer: <OhioChessFan:> <enemy combatant> Oh we're at war with Pakistan are we? "The American people and taxpayers need to know that their money is being used to kill people in another part of the world - people who are no threat to the United States. However, through its clandestine drone program, the US government is certainly making new enemies and promoting new militancy against the United States as a consequence of its killer drones." http://www.uruknet.info/?p=87223 |
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| May-23-13 | | Colonel Mortimer: "US Boy Scouts vote to end ban on gays"
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/ameri... Another nail in the coffin of bigotry. |
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May-23-13
| | Shams: <kb2ct> Your original assertion was: <Aside from the fact that most American judges do not believe in the death penalty> And now to 'support' it you offer this:
<The death penalty does not happen in most "blue states"> Can't you see these are quite different statements? Sorry but there's far too much moving of goalposts around here. |
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| May-23-13 | | Colonel Mortimer: "Woolwich attack: of course British foreign policy had a role
While nothing can justify the killing of a British soldier, the link to Britain's vicious occupations abroad cannot be ignored" http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentis... |
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May-23-13
| | kb2ct: <Shams:>
You are right. I should have said that all of the judges I know do not believe in the death penalty. I do tend to generalize from personal experience. There have been nearly 4,000 civilians killed by drones. I doubt even a tiny fraction were "enemy combatants" :0) |
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May-23-13
 | | HeMateMe: <the link to Britain's vicious occupations abroad cannot be ignored"> Does that include British invasion of New Zealand, and stealing the native people's lands, killing them, riddling their villages with infectious fatal diseases for which they had no immunity, so that people like <mort> could be born and bad mouth everyone else? |
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| May-23-13 | | Colonel Mortimer: More innocent people have been killed by American drones than people died in the 9/11 attacks. “Everyone’s worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there’s really an easy way: Stop participating in it.” Noam Chomsky |
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| May-23-13 | | Colonel Mortimer: <HeMateMe> <...stealing the native people's lands, killing them, riddling their villages with infectious fatal diseases for which they had no immunity..> Yes, all of that did happen - but in America. The British signed the Treaty of Waitangi with the Maori Chiefs in 1840, a full 50 years before the massacre of the Sioux by the US army at Wounded Knee. |
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| May-23-13 | | diceman: <Colonel Mortimer:
More innocent people have been killed by American drones than people died in the 9/11 attacks.>That’s what happens when cowards hide in civilian areas. (CM provides the “useful idiot” metric)
<“Everyone’s worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there’s really an easy way:> When you’re an idiot,
<Stop participating in it.”
Noam Chomsky>
I’m sure the folks on 9/11 would have agreed but they had no choice, dummy. You really need to get out of the recliner every once in a while. |
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| May-23-13 | | pbercker: @ <pinnedPiece: So the leader of code pink---a flaming AmLib if ever there was one (her code is deeper pink than most) ---was pre-invited and given a ticket to the event.> I'm curious as to your source for this (alleged) info; I've tried googling various things to figure out what the protocol is for such speeches but can't find anything. How is it that you "know" they were "pre-invited" and "given tickets" to the event? |
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| May-23-13 | | Jim Bartle: She said she was given a ticket, but wouldn't say by whom. |
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May-23-13
 | | Tiggler: <The British signed the Treaty of Waitangi with the Maori Chiefs in 1840, a full 50 years before the massacre of the Sioux by the US army at Wounded Knee.> And the NZ govt is still paying out compensation for alleged violations of that treaty (much to the fury of many NZ taxpayers). |
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| May-23-13 | | Colonel Mortimer: <I’m sure the folks on 9/11 would have agreed but they had no choice, dummy.> Yeah the folks in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Indochina, Central America and the Middle-East would have agreed but they had no choice either. |
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| May-23-13 | | pbercker: http://natsec.newamerica.net/drones... Drone Strike Totals
355 total strikes
2010 - 3336 total killed
258 - 307 civilians killed
1556 - 2699 militants killed
196 - 330 unknown killed |
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| May-23-13 | | Colonel Mortimer: <Tiggler:> <And the NZ govt is still paying out compensation for alleged violations of that treaty (much to the fury of many NZ taxpayers)> I've already mentioned that on more than one occasion. The point is what happened to the Native Americans was genocide. Colonialism in NZ took a different path. |
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May-23-13
| | Tiggler: There is no basis for this distinction, except perhaps "NZ exceptionalism". |
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May-23-13
| | HeMateMe: The American taxpayers also provide free medial care for the indian nations, and a lot of other services. Also, we let them own huge money making casinos, and I'm not even sure if they have to pay taxes on the income from these golden properties.The casinos are built on reservatons, the lands set aside for the American indians. |
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| May-23-13 | | Colonel Mortimer: <Tiggler: There is no basis for this distinction, except perhaps "NZ exceptionalism".> The basis is historical fact - do the research |
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| May-23-13 | | Colonel Mortimer: Neither am I an NZ citizen..cue speculation about being a muslim.. |
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May-23-13
| | Tiggler: <I'm not even sure if they have to pay taxes on the income from these golden properties.> Only on personal income. Nor do they pay the punitive tax on tobacco sales on the res. Tuscon residents queue up at the drive in "tobacco barn" on the local Tohono O'Odham reservation. Never heard of them? They are seemingly survivors of <Col Sanders> genocide: they have a few million acres hereabouts. |
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