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|May-27-12|| ||rilkefan: <<Shams>: I assume in suggesting the author ask for Nakamura's blessing and/or input, you are imagining a joint business venture with a sharing of book proceeds.>|
If Müller had simply written to Naka and said, "I'm thinking about writing a book about your games based on my own analysis, will that cramp your style?", I might not have a different view but certainly there could be less question of offense.
|May-27-12|| ||Shams: <rilkefan> I'm open to having my mind changed, but I'm having a hard time seeing an injury here.|
With the proliferation of super-strong engines, annotating a chess game isn't the esoteric labor of love it once was. I think the real value from a reader's perspective lies in hearing the thought of the players: why that opening, that day, against that opponent? Why zig instead of zagging at a critical point? Only Nakamura can write that book.
|May-27-12|| ||Jim Bartle: Seems to me the same reasoning could be applied to Lionel Messi or Michael Jordan. Writing a book about one of them is hardly different than a book about a chessplayer. And anybody can write a book about an athlete without the athlete's permission.|
The one important difference is that a chess book can reproduce the game exactly, while a book on football and basketball can only describe (inadequately) what happened during the game.
|May-27-12|| ||SteinitzLives: I think the issue may be the game scores. Several year ago some top players wanted to copywright their game scores, and they were laughed out of court. Football and basketball teams cannot copywright their box scores, and that is what a chess game score is, a record of what happened.|
Now if he has been mis-represented, libeled or slandered in some way, that's a different story.
Their may be some fair competition issues if Naka was working on his own book, but I think there is little there. Naka needs an agent, not to mention a coach. If he does not get an agent, others will keep making money off of him.
Naka needs to take the risk of trusting a professional that he is paying for service, to help him. People do it all the time
|May-27-12|| ||Shams: Ok, the cover and the title are a bit much. I'll concede that. |
<SteinitzLives><I think the issue may be the game scores.>
The rest of your paragraph shows why the game scores are not the issue, does it not?
|May-27-12|| ||SteinitzLives: Yes game scores are the issue, which does not mean legitimate or illegitimate. The legal field of Intellectual property known as IP (patents, trademarks and copyrights, etc.) has tons of legal practitioners, because the related issues that come up can be so contentious, and with much to gain or lose. Some good-sized law firms do nothing but IP law.|
|Jun-23-12|| ||Eric Schiller: Schiller time control:
I propose a new time control to speed up games while preserving quality. Most games these days don’t require time in the prepared portions of openings or in technical positions in endgames. One minute per move is enough. However, more tome is needed when the opening goes outt of book and for developing a strategy and for deciding whether to tnter an endgame. So I propse a control of one minute per move with each player getting three exceptions per game. This keeps the games to about the same for most xports broadcasts and allows for two games per day.
Each player has 60 seconds to make each move except that this limit may be exceeded three times per game. On one occasion the player may take up to ten minutes and on two occasions up to 5 minutes. The clock will count down from 60 seconds and when that is expired will automatically switch to 6-minute mode (assuming the player has one left) and light a 5-minute flag. If the 5 minutes are exhausted it will add another 5 minutes if the 10-minute exemption has not been used and light the to-minute indicator and reset the 5-minute indicator, otherwise it will indicate loss on time. When all three indicators are lit, using up 60 seconds results in a loss on time.
• Games last 3-4 hours maximum, usually 2 hours if 40 moves.
• No long waits for spectators, but enough time for meaningful commentary.
• Decent quality games, since most moves can be made quickly
• Can be modified for playoff Armageddon style with Black receiving one extra 5-minute think or White losing one.
• Tension for spectators as clock drops below ten seconds
• Clocks always show real time remaining, no delay confusion
|Jul-22-12|| ||Eric Schiller: I've just finished a new book on the Blackmar-Diuemer Gambit focusing on checkmating tactics. It will be published by Ishi Press in a few weeks and will also be available on Kindle.|
|Jul-22-12|| ||wordfunph: <Eric Schiller> thanks for the update.|
Blackmar Diemer Gambit Bogoljubow Variation 5...g6 Second Edition: A Chess Works Publication by Eric Schiller
|Jul-25-12|| ||sbevan: <Eric Schiller: A time control for public chess>|
FM Schiller, IMHO this proposal is truly excellent. Well thought out, well reasoned. I hope it draws support but most importantly I hope it's implemented.
|Dec-24-12|| ||brankat: Dear Eric!
May You have a very Happy Holiday Season!
|Dec-24-12|| ||moronovich: Merry Christmas <Eric> !|
And all the best for the New Year !
|Mar-20-13|| ||waustad: Happy birthday. You still have a couple more years as a quintagenerian!|
|Mar-20-13|| ||Karposian: Dear Eric Schiller, I wish you a happy birthday and many thanks for countless joyful hours reading your books! I wish you all the best.|
|Mar-20-13|| ||Richard Taylor: Eric Schiller was ill last time I heard. But best wishes and I hope you (he) is well) or better.|
|Mar-20-13|| ||whiteshark: Happy Birthday, Eric!
Get well soon! Health is really our greatest asset.
|Mar-20-13|| ||chancho: Happy Birthday, Mr Schiller.|
|Mar-20-13|| ||PawnSac: <GM Nakamura's reaction on Twitter
suggests that he is not really happy:
"It is truly disgusting that people are allowed to write books and profit
off of our games without our permission".>
I am a hydraulic engineer, and regularly write technical material and create new products, redesign of parts, and so forth. I have several US patents on parts i've designed, and new technology i've created, so i'm familiar with patents and copyrights.
I know books are a slightly different area of legalese, as far as what constitutes "plagarism" and so forth. But in general i think it runs this way..
The games themselves, since they are in the public venue, can not be copyrighted. Take for example a football game. No player can demand royalties from a sports commentator for doing an article or news brief on his play. The game in that sense is public domain.
The chess game score sheets are also not copyrighted, and as on chessgames.com are available for download or review, and are entered into public domain. Now if Naka wrote a book, and another book quoted his text without permission, that is, a sizeable enough portion, THEN that would be "illegal".
But a brief quote, like for example..
<Hikaru, in his book, [title], said that the line following [move sequence] "leads to a white advantage", and we tend to agree.> where the quote is Naka's, is also acceptable. It's like quoting the president in a speech, or a player who made a public comment during interview. As long as you QUOTE ACCURATELY (so as not to distort) and GIVE CREDIT for the source, its like quoting Encyclopedia Britannica. Just like a paper written for a philosophy course, or such in university. The Tarabian format and requirement for a certain number of quotes from ORIGINAL SOURCE DOCUMENTS with appropriate footnotes teaches a proper scholastic method for citing other's work.
This is acceptable and is part of intellectual freedom. BUT when the quantity gets larger (like pages of text) THEN there is a breach, since anything beyond a reasonable quote must have written permission from author and/or publisher.
As for books... the name of any public figure, whether sports, TV, etc can be used as long as it is not derogatory (defamatory libel).
Further, when one writes a book, it is not really the game score one buys, but the COMMENTARY, background information, and insight and so forth that the author contributes. For example, if i buy MY 60 MEMORABLE GAMES, it is not the game score i want but Fischer's analysis!
THATS what i pay for. I can get the game scores from various sources.
Now if an author writes a book, and someone else uses the same commentary and insight on the same game, even if he changes the words around a little, can STILL constitute a breach of copyright or theft of intellectual property.
But really.. Naka's response is very immature. He should be PLEASED that people are using his name and citing his games. It makes him famous! THEN when he writes his own book, it is considered all the more valuable and his sales go up! The fact that every GM on the planet was preoccupied with Fischer's games and performance record is exactly what made Fischer's books best sellers!
|Mar-20-13|| ||perfidious: <PawnSac> Wonder how Naka might have felt at a tender young age when he was learning from grandmaster games, had someone suggested that he be unable to use such-and-such information, because it was copyrighted.|
|Mar-20-13|| ||kingfu: Happy Birthday, Boss.|
|Mar-20-13|| ||Castleinthesky: Happy Birthday!!
Nakamura's statement is totally illogical. Does he mean to say that he never read a book where the author anaylzed a chess game of other chess players. As virtually every opening repetoire book does?
Eric has always brought the fun and novelty into chess. I hope he does for many years to come.
|Mar-20-13|| ||tpstar: <Eric Schiller> Happy Birthday!!|
|Apr-01-13|| ||Eric Schiller: Been ill and busy writing and teaching but hope to visit more frequently.|
|Apr-17-13|| ||PawnSac: < perfidious: <PawnSac> Wonder how Naka might have felt at a tender young age when he was learning from grandmaster games, had someone suggested that he be unable to use such-and-such information, because it was copyrighted. >|
Precisely. An inflated ego distorts the perspective. If he had the same mental disposition as when he was a kid he would consider it an honor to help the young aspiring players.
|Apr-17-13|| ||PawnSac: <Eric Schiller: Been ill and busy writing and teaching but hope to visit more frequently.> |
Hope you're feeling better.
A CONTACT button on your web page would be helpful. Or post a generic non-personal contact email address, so that if someone wants to contribute a comment it doesn't have to be public. For example..
your web page.. "I teach chess and English skills on the SF Peninsula and online. In < 20011 > I am teaching at Palo Verde, International and Las Lomitas schools for Bay Area Chess."
I know you're a popular guy, but find it astounding that someone would book you 18 thousand years in advance! <grin>
Anyway.. I have proof-read technical material for decades, and even in some of my writing there are occasional typo's. I appreciate it when people bring things to my attention. it is SO easy for stuff to pass the eye test. The problem is the brain does "auto correction".
Just a suggestion.
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