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|Sep-27-06|| ||MaxxLange: I don't think you can really stop White from playing a bland position with d4, Nf3, etc. if that is what they really want.|
|Sep-27-06|| ||Akavall: <An Englishman><So after 1.d4,d5; 2.Nf3, try 2...Nc6 and hope for 3.c4,e5. Of course, you will have to prepare a response to 4.Nxe5, not to mention 3.Bf4, and I happen to believe the Albin is unsound anyway...>|
Thanks a lot! This exactly the type of thing I was looking for. As far as 3. Bf4 goes, it does look rather dull, but white doesn't have more than a normal white edge in that line, does it?
|Apr-11-07|| ||Silverstrike: How should black play after 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 d4 4.e3 Bb4+ 5.Bd2 dxe3 6.fxe3 ? I've met this a few times and I've never known how to respond.|
|Apr-11-07|| ||centercounter: <Silverstrike: How should black play after 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 d4 4.e3 Bb4+ 5.Bd2 dxe3 6.fxe3 ? I've met this a few times and I've never known how to respond.>|
There's no deathblow, but Qh4-e4 forces the regaining of the Pawn (e5) and leaves White with an isolated e3 and some remaining initiative.
Alternatively Nc6/Nf3/Bg4 transposes into another good line for Black with similar themes.
|Apr-11-07|| ||centercounter: Actually, Black doesn't have to look for counterplay in the Winawer because he gets the Pawn back, but White gets a pleasant position, more so than he should hope for in normal openings due to chasing the Queen.|
|Apr-12-07|| ||Silverstrike: <centercounter> Thanks. :) Do you know if 6.Bc5 works? I played this yesterday against the top player in my club (1981) and got thoroughly steamrollered. Thanks again.|
|May-09-07|| ||GreenCastle: <Silverstrike> 4.e3 is a weak move. Try Spassky's 4.e4. Yes, it gives Black a passed pawn, but there are a lot of good points to the move. 4.e4 scores 60% for White in the database.|
|Aug-31-07|| ||Darth Lasker: A)<Sneaky> Winawer:|
<Just to clarify: We're talking about 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 e5!? 4.e3 and then ...e4 is strongly recommended>
It means you are playing against French with tempo loss. It can't be good, moreover the similar line in French with reverse colors (1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.c3 Nc6) is questionable even for white.
B) <Sneaky> Albin:
<(1) Don't be tempted to try to cling to your pawn by playing ...c5. Black's compensation here is active piece-play, not a strong pawn center.>
<(2) You can develop your Queen's bishop to either e6 (striking at c4) or g4 (undermining support of e5). However, when attacking c4 be warned that White may actually let you have the pawn, then make you lose time with Nbd2.>
That is not clear. Some people think bishop stays better on f5 attacking c2. I personally prefer Bg4, i explain it thereinafter.
<(3) Every Albin player MUST know the following line by heart: 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 d4 4. e3? Bb4+! 5. Bd2 dxe3! 6. Bxb4 exf2+ 7.Ke2 fxg1=N+!! and White can safely resign. =) Bet you never saw a pawn promote to a knight on the 7th move before, eh??>
Yes, right, but black player must also know the side line 6.Qa4+ Nc6 7.Bxb4 Qh4!
<(4) You may want to fianchetto your King's Bishop.>
No. Black king's bishop is waiting for right time first to check white king (Bb4+) and then comes to c5. If white plays a3, then you support it with a5.
<(5) You may want to castle long.>
NO! If white has g3 and Bg2, you get into serious trouble: your queenside fortress may be destroyed very quickly. In this case various side castling is favorable for white, because his attack is faster here.
<(6) As with all gambits, don't be in a big hurry to regain your material.>
I have seen many games where black played Be6(g4), Qd7, Bh3, O-O-O, Nge7, Ng6, Nxe5 and lost, because white mightily attacked on the queenside. This method is simply too slow.
So i think the right way is:
(after 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 3.de d4 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.g3) 5. - Bg4 6.Bg2 f6! 7.ef Nxf6. Then Bc5 and kingside castling. Black has good compensation with attacking the points e2, f2 and f3 with his bishops, rooks f8, e8 (after Rae8) and knights, possible threat d4-d3 with next Nd4 or Ne5, etc. Black queen comes finally to d7 (threating Bh3) or e7 (increasing pressure on e2).
|Feb-18-08|| ||Knight13: All I can say is... That this opening is CRAZY!|
|Dec-10-08|| ||parisattack: I played the Albin against 1. d4 when I first started to play chess - Center Counter against 1. e4 and Bird as White. I had good success with Albin but then lost the junior championship game with it and never played it again. The 3. ...dc: line is I think better than it looks. As long as black hasn't committed the 'c' pawn to c5 the king displacement after the exchange of queens is no big deal. The Symmetrical Defense is also worth exploring...|
|Dec-11-08|| ||CapablancaFan: I just got finished playing this game on instantchess.com and by the end of it, lets just say I was all too happy to take a draw. I was initially a pawn to the good, but couldn't hold on to it. The Albin deserves a better reputation. |
1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 d4 4.a3 Nc6 5.Nf3 Bg4 6.e3 Nxe5 7.exd4 Nxf3+ 8.gxf3 Qe7+ 9.Be3 Bf5 10.Bd3 Bh3 11.Nc3 Nf6 12.Rg1 O-O-O 13.d5 c6 14.Qa4 cxd5 15.cxd5 a6 16.O-O-O Nxd5 17.Nxd5 Rxd5 18.Qc4+ Qc7 19.Qxc7+ Kxc7 20.Be4 Rxd1+ 21.Kxd1 Be6 22.Bf4+ Kb6 23.Be3+ Kc7 24.Bf4+ Kb6 25.Be3+ Kc7 1/2-1/2
|Jun-18-09|| ||furrer: What do you think about the 4. a3 variation, covered in Avrukh's new book?|
|Jul-17-09|| ||FeArMySkiLLz: There seems be some people who think the Albin is unsound. I have been reading the comments by other users namely An Englishman (by the way your idea to transpose to the Albin after 2.Nf3 is quite nice), as well as other users who express doubt in this rather unconventional opening. Well, first of all, Alexander Morozevich has been smashing people with this gambit in a number of tournaments. I took another look at this gambit on chessgames and found that its employed by people rated 2300+!!; and they are winning with it! Sure there are few games on here that deal with the Albin but if you look Albin games up under 2007,8, or 9, you will see very strong players employing this gambit. I have also tried this gambit extensively on my computer and found out that black will eventually equalize, even in lines where he sacrifices the pawn with f6. I have also noticed that games tend to be over in less 35 moves typically when black wins. This is pretty outstanding considering white is rated above 2200+! All in all, the Albin is far, far from unsound guys. I have employed this gambit with tremendous success. My opponents appear dumbfounded when I play 2..e5 and they end up playing something inferior anyway. They are expecting to overwhelm you with their theoretical QGA, or QGD, that they have a severe, contorted look of horror on their face when I trott out 2...e5. When you play this, you are leading your opponents into YOUR territory to positions you understand BETTER. This is where the true advantage of the Albin lay. Practical play shows that eventually white will lose this so called "advantage" he gets if black knows what he is doing. Also white has to be rather accurately to contain black's initiative. I hope this has cleared up any doubts. The Albin deserves to be more than an offbeat oddity.|
|Sep-13-09|| ||kdogphs: I ended up playing this opening in the New England Open last weekend but the interesting part was this:|
1) d4 d5 2)c4 e5 3) Nc3 exd4 4)Nxd5?!
According to the database 4) Nxd5 has never been played and I wonder why, it seems like it's a solid move since the Knight is protected by the pawn on c4. I ended up drawing the game as it ended in a perpetual check situation. Just thought I'd add this tidbit.
|Oct-23-09|| ||SirChrislov: This defence is all right with me, along with the Budapest they're my main wepons vs. 1.d4|
|Oct-23-09|| ||AnalyzeThis: I agree, it's a perfectly reasonable weapon, especially if it's a surprise.|
|Dec-22-09|| ||parisattack: Nothing at all wrong with the Albin below 2400 ELO or even higher, really.|
The Symmetrical Defense also deserves a look-see.
|Sep-16-10|| ||eightbyeight: I haven't had that much success with the Albin (my main weapon against 1. d4 is the Dutch) but I just played this completely ridiculous game on FICS.|
eightbyeight-pkpl, Internet 2010. <Albin Countergambit>
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e5 3. e3 Nc6?! (3. ... exd4 is better.) 4. cxd5 Qxd5 5. Nc3 Qa5 6. Nf3 exd4 7. Nxd4 Nxd4 8. Qxd4 Nf6 9. Bd3 Bd7 10. O-O O-O-O 11. Bc4 Be6 12. Qf4 Bd6 13. Bxe6+ fxe6
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Up until here it has been a pretty normal, boring, game, but...
14. Qg5?? Qxg5 0-1
|Sep-16-10|| ||Eric Schiller: I just did an article on it:
|Jul-08-11|| ||Akavall: What do Albin players play against
1.d4 d5 2. Nf3
I am sure Albin players are looking for sharp and tactical position, which Albin Gambit provides. However, 2.Nf3 seems to lead to a much quieter position, so what is the black's best try to complicate matters here?
|Jul-21-11|| ||jahhaj: <Akavall> You asked exactly the same question five years ago! Chess theory hasn't moved on since then. There is no way to complicate if white is determined to play a quiet position.|
Assuming white is heading for a Colle then I like to play a king side fianchetto 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 c5 4.c3 Nbd7 5.Nbd2 g6 6.Bd3 Bg7 7.O-O O-O. White attacking prospects are nil, and at least you'll get an open game.
It's easy to understand why the Albin is popular, but I do enjoy taking it on. I play the main line and of course I do get rolled over from time to time. But it's one of the openings I score well against. White has just as many tactical chances as Black and a pawn extra.
|Jul-30-11|| ||Akavall: <jahhaj><You asked exactly the same question five years ago!>|
LoL! I did not realize it! I guess this keeps bothering me.
Thanks for the suggested line; it seems like a good way to deal with white's attack in the Colle, but I wish it was just the Colle that I was concerned about.
It bothers me that white can just play 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.c4 and they still have their white edge. The disadvantages of having the knight on f3 early are very subtle; few lines against QGA and QGD are missing and that's about it. In other words, I would have to learn the Albin and another defense to deal with 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.c4 move order. This makes the Albin less practical.
<It's easy to understand why the Albin is popular, but I do enjoy taking it on. I play the main line and of course I do get rolled over from time to time. But it's one of the openings I score well against. White has just as many tactical chances as Black and a pawn extra.>
It is fun for both sides, yes.
|Oct-25-11|| ||jackpawn: Anyone know of a good book on the Albin they could recommend?|
|Oct-25-11|| ||SimonWebbsTiger: @<jackpawn>
Chris Ward took a look at it in his <Unusual Queen's Gambit Declined> (Everyman Chess 2002), along with the Baltic Defence and Chigorin.
|Jan-29-12|| ||Penguincw: Opening of the Day
Queen's Gambit Declined, Albin Counter Gambit
1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5
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