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| b3wins: <Eyal: Instead of 58.h6, <Kg4>! seems to save White in this line - Black can't maintain the f-pawn after 58...Ke3 59.Rc3+ Kd2 (or 59...Bd3 60.h6) 60.Rxc2+!> You are right. I now tried also 57... Ke3 (instead of 57... f4) but white finds a miracle save in all lines:
58. Rc3+ Kd2 59. Rc7 f4 (Ke3 60. Rc3+; 59... Ke2 60. Kg3) 60. Kg4 f3 61. Rxc2+! (only move, on h6 or Kg3 comes Ke2 and protects the pawn) Kxc2 62. Kg3 Kd3 63. Kf2 with h6-h7, and the black king is one tempo short of either protecting the 'f' pawn or catching white's 'h' pawn. 58. Rc3+ Ke2 59. Kg3
58. Rc3+ Kf2 59. h6 f4 60. Kg4 f3 61. h7! Bxh7 62. Rxf3+ Ke2 63. Rc3 Is that what Rybka meant by eval. -1.04? Usually that means black should win. Any improvements for black anyone? (either here or in my previous post) |
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| Eyal: <b3wins> A -1 evaluation, especially in endgames, doesn't mean a completely clear win - just a "big advantage". I've encountered many cases where Rybka (or other engines) gave exaggerated evaluations in essentially drawn endgames - Leko-Carlsen from the recent Pearl Springs was a good example; it's also possible that Rybka simply didn't reach deep enough in the plies to correctly assess all these lines. Btw, I've tried some alternatives in earlier stages of this line, but they still don't seem to work for Black - e.g., 55...Rg1 (instead of Rg8) 56.Rbc5 Rh1+ 57.Kg3 Rxh5 58.Rxc2 Bxc2 59.Rxc2 with a drawn rook endgame. |
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| Nov-05-09 |
| b3wins: Eyal: Commentary by Shipov
http://translate.google.com/transla...Thanks for the link. Shipov is by far my favorite of all online commentators. Deep, unbiased, pleasant, respectful to the players with understanding of the human qualities that make a chess fight, and most important of all - is not a slave of computers!!! (really the only one out there in that regard.) His analyses of the Nalchik GP which appeared in translation at ChessBase where wonderful. It's a pity his writings are not translated more often. |
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| Nov-05-09 |
| LaFreak III: now i know why this is a draw..
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... |
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| Nov-05-09 |
| Jim Bartle: 17.Bxg7: "Well, the big conclusion after this round is that Kramnik is now tied for first, while rating favorite Carlsen is tied for last." Made me laugh. |
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| Eyal: Shipov can also be hilariously funny sometimes, especially in the automatic Google/Babel Fish translations... As for respect to the players and understanding of human qualities, I remember a wonderful comment that he made at a late stage of the Carlsen-Karjakin game from Corus this year: <Unbelievable but true - the fight broke out with renewed vigor. I was literally falling from the chair, there are no forces to comment on this nervous and difficult fight. But I will do so out of solidarity with the players - after all, it is harder for them than for me...> (http://translate.google.com/transla...) |
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| Nov-05-09 |
| dejavu: I think carlsen was surprised to see Kramnik out of his usual self, out gunning and daring with brilliant and valiant moves-he would have preferred a quiet draw but he was forced to fight for survival-and fight he did.Magnus fault was not in his chess technique but rather in his psyche for this game. he had one expectation and was met with avalanche of brilliancy-this is the Kramnik that the fans long wished to watch. nevertheless, it was wonderful to watch the whiz kid pulling out a miracle from his hat. |
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| Nov-06-09 |
| Sacsacmate: <I think carlsen was surprised to see Kramnik out of his usual self> I guess Kramnik seems like a changed player post Bonn -October 2008.. he was unusually relentless... |
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| ajile: The idea of 11..g5 and then 12..g4 is interesting. Really helps Black lock in a piece on e4 since f3 by White ruins White's k-side. So after this White has nothing better than to trade queens after which Black is doing well with a space advantage. Unique concept. |
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| Mateo: <Eyal: <b3wins: Another interesting line at chessok was black’s last chance to gain winning chances – 51… Ke5 52. R3c5+ Kd4 53. Rxb5 Rg2+ 54. Kh4 Rg4+ 55. Kh3 Rg8 with evaluation of -1.04. How would the game continue, then? 56. Rbc5 [...] black’s winning chances are with 56… Rxc8 57. Rxc8 f4 58. h6 Ke3! (Kd3? 59. Rxc2! Kxc2 60. h7 Bxh7 61. Kg4=) 59. Rc3+ Kd2 and black seems to win here, actually. The king protects the ‘f’ pawn from the white king, and the white rook cannot leave the ‘c’ file.>
Instead of 58.h6, <Kg4>! seems to save White in this line - Black can't maintain the f-pawn after 58...Ke3 59.Rc3+ Kd2 (or 59...Bd3 60.h6) 60.Rxc2+!>
What about 55...Rg1? For instance, 56.Rbc5 Rh1+ 57.Kg3 Rxh5. Doesn't Black have some winning prospects in this line? |
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| Eyal: <Mateo: What about [51… Ke5 52. R3c5+ Kd4 53. Rxb5 Rg2+ 54. Kh4 Rg4+ 55. Kh3] 55...Rg1? For instance, 56.Rbc5 Rh1+ 57.Kg3 Rxh5. Doesn't Black have some winning prospects in this line?> I mentioned this line in a previous post - after 58.Rxc2 Bxc2 59.Rxc2 it's theoretically drawn (though maybe there are some practical chances that White would go wrong here). |
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Nov-07-09
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| Eyal: Kramnik on the game:
<After the opening I had a good position - Magnus' trainer had clearly not done enough work. The Nimzovitsch with Qc2 is one of Kasparov's favourite systems; clearly, they'd worked on it together, but badly. At a few points I could have forced a draw, but I didn't want to. I could have picked up the pawn on g2, but that's a draw, probably, and in the end we got a position that was unpleasant for him. Perhaps I needed to play more subtly, not allow him to regroup. He somehow managed to transfer the bishop to c3 when otherwise it would have been very unpleasant. After that it seemed to me that he was holding on, but something possessed him and he played e4 when he needed to play a4 and Ra3. Of course then I'd still be applying pressure, but a win would be unlikely. After something possessed him he already had a difficult position. But Magnus defended stubbornly. I probably let him escape in time trouble when I could have played stronger moves.After the time control, on move 41, I sat down to look for a win but couldn't find one, so I decided to make a draw. And then, unexpectedly, he started to play for a win. Complete madness! His position was worse, you had to pray for a draw by a tempo. I thought - maybe I'm wrong? But then he told me that he really was playing for a win. I probably had a win, but I relaxed, considering that after I took on c3 it was completely won and my pawns would queen. And then he began to create some sort of studies, some mate threats. He made a miraculous draw. It's funny, but in our analysis we couldn't immediately find a way to win, though it seems as though the position's completely won. Starting from the 42nd move he made only moves, but the position, it seems, held. Though at a certain point I'd already chalked myself up a point on the score table> (from the chesspro report on the 1st round; this translation was posted by someone on chessninja, but a somewhat more jumbled version is also available through the automatic translator at http://translate.google.com/transla...) |
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| A Karpov Fan: <Though at a certain point I'd already chalked myself up a point on the score table> seems a bit arrogant to me, not usual Kramnik stlyle, maybe he wants to annoy Kasparov too much :-) |
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| tamar: This game will remain a classic picture of Kramnik and Carlsen at this moment of time. Kramnik superior still in delving the depths of chess truth in openings, Carlsen surprising in still attempting to navigate for a win amid multitudes of doubts and uncertainties. |
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| Nov-07-09 |
| JuliusCaesar: "And then, unexpectedly, he started to play for a win. Complete madness! His position was worse, you had to pray for a draw by a tempo. I thought - maybe I'm wrong? But then he told me that he really was playing for a win."
A trait Magnus has in common with the late Bobby Fischer. |
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| Nov-07-09 |
| lekoo: can somebody tell me why Kramnik played 28... Rb3 and 29... b6???. to me they are ilogical |
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| Eyal: <can somebody tell me why Kramnik played 28... Rb3 and 29... b6???. to me they are ilogical> Both moves are part of the strategy of activating the Q-side pawn majority (that started with 20...c4). b6 is a usual move in such positions (you can see it quite a lot in Benoni formations, for example move 19 of Spassky vs Fischer, 1972), to prepare a6-b5; the point is not to let White place the pawn on a5 so that b5 would be answered by axb6 en passant. |
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| Nov-07-09 |
| moronovich: <lekoo> If you listen to what <Eyal> just said and pratice it over the board you will raise your level of play.It is more or less a theme, we find in every game.Played or not. |
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| Nov-07-09 |
| yalie: I have played through that ending a few times. I cant find a win for black. Is there any truth to what Kramnik says (of course he said this pre- analysis with an engine) that he must have missed a win somewhere? |
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| Eyal: <Is there any truth to what Kramnik says (of course he said this pre- analysis with an engine) that he must have missed a win somewhere?> I haven't seen a clear win for Black indicated in any analysis so far - in this regard, Carlsen may have understood the endgame better than Kramnik... specifically, concerning the idea that "possessed" him of playing 31.e4, he might even have gotten some advantage with 33.h5! a couple of moves later. |
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| Nov-07-09 |
| yalie: thanks <eyal> |
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| Nov-07-09 |
| Aspirador: <Eyal> Yeah, but he (and Kramnik) didn't see the 33.h5!. I think Kramnik is right in saying that White has to struggle harder for a draw after 31.e4?! compared to just sitting still. |
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| Nov-08-09 |
| Aspirador: <After the opening I had a good position - Magnus' trainer had clearly not done enough work.> Lol. I'm really wondering how Magnus will deal with this in the future, being Kasparov's little sugarboy. Of course, Kasparov also claims to have had Botvinnik as a mentor, but afaik Botvinnik was really a mentor rather than a trainer. |
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| notyetagm: One of the very best draws I have ever watched. |
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| Nov-09-09 |
| Tamerlan: Kramnik had all chances to win this game, but unfortunately did not... |
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