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Wilhelm Steinitz vs Curt von Bardeleben
"The Battle of Hastings" (game of the day Sep-28-04)
Hastings (1895)  ·  Italian Game: Classical Variation. Greco Gambit Traditional Line (C54)  ·  1-0
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Nov-08-11  AnalyzeThis: Moves 22 on from this game are just ridiculously brilliant.
Nov-08-11  LIFE Master AJ: <Nov-08-11 AnalyzeThis: Moves 22 on from this game are just ridiculously brilliant. <<<>>> >

Insanely brilliant ... to be Tal's favorite game, I would think it would have to be!

Nov-08-11  King Death: This game is an awesome display by the Old Lion.
Nov-09-11  leonie: I'm a beginner at chess. This game is beautiful and a classic chessgame. But I think it is not for beginner's like me. Too difficult to memorise.
Nov-09-11  King Death: <leonie> You'll be a lot better off if you try to understand what's behind the moves in a game instead of trying to memorize it. Be patient and things will come to you. We were all beginners once too.
Nov-09-11  leonie: thank you. what would your recommendation be. which games to start with italian opening? thank you agiain.
Nov-10-11  JoergWalter: 25 Rxh7+.
‘But Bardeleben didn’t resign. He stared at 25 Rxh7+, shot a glance at Steinitz, and without a word got up from his chair and left the room. He didn’t come back. Tournament officials searched and found Bardeleben pacing angrily. No, he wouldn’t return to the board so that outrageous Austrian could mate him. So Steinitz had to wait for Bardeleben’s time to run out before he could claim the win. Not only claim it – he demonstrated the final ten-move mate and the crowd cheered.’

http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...

Well, and this is a professional chess video. The girl has a pleasant voice, narrates well, gets the names right etc. etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsoF...

Nov-10-11
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  Marmot PFL: <JoergWalter> That was Soltis's version, who of course wasn't there. Winter's article has several diverging accounts.

One thing they got right was Steinitz claiming that "God almighty couldn't give me pawn and move", rather than claiming he could give God such odds, as so many other writers do incorrectly.

Nov-11-11
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  Domdaniel: <Marmot> Yes, Winter's research seems to demonstrate conclusively that (a) 25.Rxh7+ was played, after which Von Bardeleben left the hall, and (b) Von Bardeleben's "offence" was not thought scandalous at the time (and if anyone had a nose for scandal, it was the Victorians).

His walk-out was, he claimed, a protest against the cheers and applause which had followed victories in earlier rounds. Note that Von Bardeleben was leading the tournament before this game, so that at least part of his problem was the applause that he himself had received for his wins. The organizers agreed, and took steps to enforce silence.

Nor does Steinitz appear to have been annoyed. He waited 50 minutes, claimed a win on time, and demonstrated a mating line to the crowd.

It is true that Von B's protest was also motivated by a dislike of Steinitz, and a desire to avoid giving him the 'satisfaction' of resignation.

I imagine he was in a state of turmoil and distress -- think of Ivanchuk kicking the wall not so long ago. But the 'scandal' of chess folklore is a myth.

Winter's description is apt:
<The author of that apparent exercise in imagination, simultaneously fertile and sterile, is A. Soltis (The Great Chess Tournaments and Their Stories, pages 67-68).>

Nov-11-11
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  Domdaniel: I quite like Joerg's robot-girl, though.
Nov-11-11
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  Domdaniel: <Joerg> - < he had a courier to get his butter from a particular deli in Berlin> One's very own personal *Fingerfehler*. How stylish. How classy. How gross.
Nov-11-11  JoergWalter: <Domdaniel>
v. Bardeleben was from a wealthy family. he was also known to be arrogant and "stylish" - he had a courier to get his butter from a particular deli in Berlin. And his surrender to Steinitz was allegedly delivered by his messenger boy.

BTW, the girl is annotating chess games only as second job - she is more into the field of navigation systems. "in 100 m turn right"

Nov-11-11
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  Domdaniel: <Joerg> Navigation systems, eh? I've heard of them. I could say something about easing back on the joystick - technical talk, I believe, among navigators - but I won't.
Nov-11-11
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  Domdaniel: In the end, the jokes, puns, flames and counterflames will fade away. The irruptions by idiots and miscellaneous extrusions of ego will weather into the landscape.

The game remains an astonishing work of art. Not just one of the finest combinations on record, with a beautiful aesthetic power, but one of the great human statements of defiance in the face of time and fate. I rank it with anything by Leonardo or Goethe or Shakespeare: the King Lear of chess games, the Gioconda of the Giuoco.

Nov-11-11
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  OhioChessFan: How many holes does it take to fill the Hastings Hall?
Nov-12-11
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  Domdaniel: <Ohio> I recently figured that what CG needed was some kind of sandpit or virtual play area -- a well-shielded romper room where those so inclined could thump each other with inflatable hammers ...

Aha, each *other*. To some of these aggressive types, the enemy is the Other. So what we need is an Other Containment Facility ... an OCF, in fact.

Then I remembered we already had one. Not that I'd suggest anyone should use your place for fighting with inflatable hammers.

Nov-12-11
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  OhioChessFan: http://www.threestooges.com/news/im...
Nov-12-11
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  Domdaniel: Curly, Larry and Moe were among my childhood heroes. And more mature than certain 'internet people' ...

How do you find such appropriate pics?

Nov-29-11  IRONCASTLEVINAY: all the whites pieces are under attack
Dec-17-11  Penguincw: The final position, I think.


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Mar-01-12  shepi13: Why do people keep saying that c6 was a bad move in earlier pages. It prevents Qxe7 Qxe7, Rxe7, Kxe7, Rxc7+, K moves, Rxb7, when white has two pawns for the exchange and should win more. I think it is only bad because of d5, which he couldn't have predicted.
Apr-09-12
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  shakespeare: from move 16 on it went downhill - Kf7 going out of the pin with an almost equal position but c6 gives white the opportunity to open lines for his rooks - bad positional mistake
Mar-14-13  IndigoViolet: Does anyone know what the time control at this event was?
Mar-14-13  thomastonk: <IndigoViolet: time control> I quote from the tournament book: "Thirty moves for the first two hours, and fifteen moves per hour afterwards."
Mar-14-13  FISCHERboy: <shepi13: Why do people keep saying that c6 was a bad move in earlier pages.>

It makes sense (Qxe7 Qxe7, Rxe7, Kxe7, Rxc7+, K moves, Rxb7 plus winning two pawns.)

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