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|May-07-12|| ||KKDEREK: amazing game!|
|May-08-12|| ||Nullifidian: I almost missed my chance to solve this one:
30. h8+ followed by 31. xf7+ and 32. xg5, and White has a clearly won position.
|May-08-12|| ||FSR: <karnak64: The interesting move for me is 21 Ne3 where Petrosian sacrifices the exchange -- and what seems to be on spec rather than out of something clearly calculated. Unusual for him, isn't it?>|
Hardly. He is the most famous exchange-sacrificer in history. See Reshevsky vs Petrosian, 1953 and Game Collection: Deep Exchange Sacrifices, Part One: Petrosian. He also offered an exchange sacrifice in Fischer vs Petrosian, 1971 (13.Bb5 would win the exchange), but Fischer didn't take it.
|May-08-12|| ||karnak64: <FSR>: interesting. I'd always heard of him largely as a staunch, cagey defensive player. I think it was Botvinnik who said, "when Petrosian offers a sacrifice, resign," the point being that his offers were rare and thoroughly calculated.|
Pretty cool game collection by Cactus. Diving in today. Thanks for passing it on.
|May-08-12|| ||FSR: <karnak64: <FSR>: interesting. I'd always heard of him largely as a staunch, cagey defensive player. I think it was Botvinnik who said, "when Petrosian offers a sacrifice, resign," the point being that his offers were rare and thoroughly calculated.>|
He certainly did not make speculative piece sacrifices the way Tal did, but he often made positional sacrifices, most commonly of the exchange but sometimes of a piece, Petrosian vs Pachman, 1952, or the queen, Pachman vs Petrosian, 1958. In Petrosian vs Larsen, 1972, he played a speculative pawn sacrifice, then later sacrificed his queen. Here are a couple of "real" sacrifices for mating attacks: a rook, Keres vs Petrosian, 1959, and a queen, Petrosian vs Pachman, 1961. (He really had Pachman's number! http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...)
|May-08-12|| ||karnak64: Thanks,just played through the '67 game. Pretty amazing. Pachmann must have developed a complex.|
|May-09-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: Monday, May 7th, 2012
Petrosian! A true legend in my opinion; a tremendous teacher for me and a World Champion whose games I love to study!
This is an extremely famous combination:
30. Qh8+!! Kxh8 31. Nxf7+ and 32. Nxg5 and White emerges a pawn and piece up.
|May-09-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: Thanks for the shout-out, <morf>!|
|Jul-18-12|| ||Ulhumbrus: An alternative to 17...Bxb2 is 17...Qg5 developing the queen and covering the square e3|
|Jul-18-12|| ||master of defence: Itīs easy. 30.Qh8+! Kxh8(forced) 31.Nxf7+ followed by 32.Nxg5 with Knight and pawn up, wins.|
|Jul-18-12|| ||perfidious: <master of defence> This wasn't Iron Tigran's first go at this forking combination to bring home a point. Here's another you'll like, I think. It's probably somewhere in the kibitzing on this game, but I don't propose to plough through all these pages:|
Petrosian vs Simagin, 1956
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|Jul-19-12|| ||master of defence: Yes, I liked <perfidious>. Good Wednesday/Thursday puzzle. And again the Nxf7+ forking king and queen.|
|Aug-04-12|| ||backrank: <FSR: Incidentally, Reuben Fine made the startling claim that Petrosian was probably the weakest world champion>|
This probably tells a good deal more about Fine himself than about Petrosian ... where are Fine's brillant games? Has he ever played one single game that could rank with the one above? Is there perhaps a reason that there are no famous games by Fine (except some brilliant losses, e.g. to Keres)? I think there is. No doubt Fine was strong in the 30s, very strong. But he was not a creative player, his style was merely technical, not of the artistic kind. Not much of a personal style at all. Petrosian DID have a personal style, although it's not a very popular one. But if he's scorned, it's BECAUSE of his personal style, not due the lack of it, like in Fine's case.
'Fine is a pompous ninny' (Bogoljubow)
|Aug-04-12|| ||perfidious: Petrosian the weakest world champion? That one's good for a laugh.|
As to the question of what Fine's place in the firmament might have been, we'll never know-his tenure in the leading group of masters was relatively short, then came World War II and his studies.
Here's a nice game by Fine; even Botvinnik praised White's play.
Fine vs Botvinnik, 1938
|Aug-04-12|| ||Open Defence: its very difficult to 'get' Petrosyan's chess, it all seems quite unclear until you get deeper into the game|
|Aug-04-12|| ||backrank: <Here's a nice game by Fine; even Botvinnik praised White's play.|
Fine vs Botvinnik, 1938>
Even this one consists only of some opening preparation, followed by a technical win. Fine was a really great technician, but IMHO no more than that.
All World Champs were great technicians (maybe except Tal), but all of them were more than that.
But this is not the Reuben Fine page; so we shouldn't discuss about him here, but rather continue analyzing the above game (if there is anything left to analyze).
|Aug-04-12|| ||perfidious: <backrank> Yes, I suppose that was all Fine could do. The fish couldn't play tactically. We get it: whatever your reasons, you've no use for Fine.|
You'll not be the one to dictate what I will or won't discuss, either.
|Oct-31-12|| ||Conrad93: I love how black's pawn is paralyzed at a5. Just wonderful.|
|Dec-16-12|| ||leka: Spassky missed a beutiful win on move 19...f4???? a winning move 19...ROOK A7!!!!.Petrosian tought only 30 seconds hais move 21.Knight e3!!!!! a pretty an amazing!!!!!|
|Dec-17-12|| ||beatgiant: <leka>
<winning move 19...ROOK A7>
As preparation for 20...f4, right? But I don't see any obvious follow-up if White defends with 19...Ra7 20. Ne3. What am I missing?
|Dec-20-12|| ||say it with a smile: 'Spassky Spanked' is a better pun since he got trounced like a rag doll.|
|Dec-20-12|| ||RookFile: Petrosian actually successfully defended his title in 1966. It had been a long time since anybody had done that. That hardly makes him a weak champion.|
|Jan-08-13|| ||leka: Tigran Petrosian played 68 games without a loss.Also T.Petrosian in the chess olympiads 78 wins 50 draws only one loss to Huebner in 1972.He was a worty world champion|
|Jan-13-13|| ||Beancounter: Strongest Force: The game you refer to in 'From Russia with Love' was based upon the game between Spassky & Bronstein played on the 1960 USSR championships - Spassky won that one.|
|Mar-29-13|| ||Rick360: Excellent candidate for "game of the decade". I'm very impressed with Petrosian's Chess.|
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