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Glucksberg vs Miguel Najdorf
"The Polish Immortal" (game of the day Mar-12-08)
Warsaw 1929  ·  Dutch Defense: Queen's Knight Variation (A85)  ·  0-1
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Apr-14-11
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  Mozart72: Glucksberg's 81.25% win probability in move 22 and Najdorf's 62.50% win probability in move 22 shows that the final score should have been 1-0.
Apr-14-11  bartonlaos: <Mozart72> That's incredible.
Apr-14-11
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  Mozart72: Your sarcasm is short, sweet and simple, bartonlaos.
Apr-15-11  bartonlaos: <Mozart72> It's a forced mate in 1 at 22. Face the facts. Your invention doesn't work to predict outcomes in standard chess.
Apr-15-11
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  Mozart72: Yes it is, but (chess) scores and win probabilities are different.

Glucksberg vs Najdorf

White: 13/16 = 81.25%

Black: 10/16 = 62.50%

81.25% > 62.50%, so the (chess) score for White is 1 and the (chess) score for Black is 0. That is 1-0, but history turned it around: Najdorf won. Never said my method was perfect. It's like gambling.

Apr-15-11  bartonlaos: <scores and win probabilities are different...>

Explain why this statement does not contradict all of your previous statements, which go something like this:

"win probability is --- so the score SHOULD HAVE BEEN ---"

And explain how this: <Never said my method was perfect. It's LIKE GAMBLING> negates the importance of such posts on Chessgames.

It looks like you've spent a lot of time in this just to tell us it doesn't work. Shouldn't you spend more time studying something else in Chess?

Apr-15-11
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  Mozart72: You can find betting sites for chess you know.
Apr-15-11  bartonlaos: You could make predictions based on the prior outcomes between players you know.
Apr-15-11
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  Mozart72: Yes you can, bartonlaos.
Apr-15-11  bartonlaos: <Mozart72> Next time talk to some of the chessplayers around here before you waste all of your time with these point count systems.

And if prediction is your goal, then you should use the Chess Bookie game, since testing is better than posting - read about it here ChessBookie Introduction ... it will help you to determine your system's accuracy. You can then keep making tweeks in your system until you're ready for further discussion - or Vegas, which ever one comes first!

Apr-15-11  AVRO38: Who was Glucksberg?

Since this is Prince William's actual last name (Windsor was made up during WW1) perhaps this player was a royal personage?

Apr-15-11
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  paulalbert: The House of Windsor's German name was Saxe-Coburg and Gotha the senior line of the illustrious Saxon House of Wettin. That's a long way from Gluecksberg.
Apr-15-11  AVRO38: <The House of Windsor's German name was Saxe-Coburg and Gotha the senior line of the illustrious Saxon House of Wettin. That's a long way from Gluecksberg.>

Last time I checked Elizabeth II is female so why would William have her paternal name. William's real name is Glucksberg, look it up!

Apr-16-11
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  paulalbert: <AVRO38> My comment was triggered by the reference to the House of Windsor change during WWI. It is correct if you go back through Prince Philip's ( last name Mountbatten changed from the German Battenberg also during WWI ) paternal ancestors about six generations you get to a "von Schleswig Holstein Sonderburg Gluecksberg". Perhaps you have further information that shows that if you took it even further back , that one could show that the paternal last name should have remained solely Gluecksberg.
Apr-17-11  BobCrisp: The royals still have a penchant for things Germanic:

<"Since 1994, when Princess Diana first ran around Chelsea in a turquoise Audi cabriolet, the German car company has become a favourite of the British establishment."

As well Kate's Audi, the Prince of Wales owns a flotilla of the luxury German cars. Prince Harry has one. So does Prince William. Even the Queen owns one.>

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-...

May-05-11  AVRO38: <Perhaps you have further information that shows that if you took it even further back , that one could show that the paternal last name should have remained solely Gluecksberg.>

Actually, the farthest you can trace William/Philip's paternal ancestry is to the early 12th century to a man named Elimar von Oldenburg. So to be precise, William's last name should be Oldenburg. Glucksberg is the cadet branch of the von Oldenburg family that William/Philip descend from.

Sep-16-11
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  inlimbo777: I am confused by move #10 for white...10.Kh1. Why is not Kxh2 eliminating the bishop better?
Oct-22-11  Uvulu: <inlimbo777> because of 10... Ng4+ followed by 11... Qxg5
Mar-10-12
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  kingscrusher: Dual commentary video on this game :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71Zz...

Jul-15-12  b0ch0: An orgasm of chess
Oct-10-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  Conrad93: This is probably one of the most well-known chess games out there.
Oct-12-12
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  profK: The Dutch can produce some great attacks..This is a spectacular combo.
Oct-21-12  wildrookie: The Polish Immortal, ha! The onlything Polish in this game was the city - Warsaw - where it was played.
Oct-21-12
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  brankat: <wildrookie> And what exactly is that supposed to mean? Perhaps you got lost and found yourself at the wrong site?
Jan-23-13
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  Kinghunt: Najdorf was Polish.
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