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|Oct-21-10|| ||DarthStapler: Why is it called The Evergreen Partie instead of The Evergreen Game, since that's what it's known as?|
|Oct-23-10|| ||Diagonale du Fou: "Partie" was the continental (French) term for a specific game, particularly in the 19th century. In Spanish, for example, the term for a game of chess is "una partida de ajedrez." Game (juego) would sound too general in that language and, I guess, also in French. "Juego de ajedrez" means the game of chess in general, not a specific game. Somehow the term partie migrated into English usage in the 19th century in some circles.|
|Nov-19-10|| ||chessdr: hstevens, I am almost convinced by your variations - 22. ... Nxd8 23. Qd7+ is brilliant. My only question comes after 22. ... Kxd8 Be4+ (or Be2+) 23. Nd4. After 24. Bxf3 Bxf3 it seems like black still has stuff. Any thoughts?|
|Nov-19-10|| ||chessdr: <hstevens129> I misnumbered the moves - what I meant: 22. ... Kxd8 23. Be4+ (or Be2+) Nd4 24. Bxf3 Bxf3. So now what does white do?|
|Dec-26-10|| ||WhiteRook48: 20...Kd8! is a better way to go.
21 Rxd7+! Kc8! 22 Rd8+ Kxd8 23 Be4+ Nd4! 24 Rxd4+?! Bxd4 25 Qxd4+ Ke8 26 Bxf3 Bxf3.
White has to be very careful. If he allows 27...Rd8, black wins. if 27 Be7 Bxg2! 28 h4 Bc6+ 29 Kf1 Bb5+, and white is far from winning (NOT 28 Qa4+?? Bc6+)
Best is 27 Qf4 Bxg2 (27...Rxg2+ 28 Kf1 Rb1+?! 29 Bc1 leaves Black wondering where to put his bishop) 28 h4 Bd5+ 29 Kh2 Rc8 30 Qe5+ Be6 31 Qc5 Kd7 32 Qe7+ Kc6, which is unclear.
|Dec-26-10|| ||WhiteRook48: 28 h4 Rb1+ 29 Bc1 Bd5+ is unclear.
at move 27, it looks like white can win a bishop, but 27 Qe3+ Kd7 28 Qxf3?? loses to 28...Rb1+
EDIT: None of this was done with a computer, so I apologize if these lines are wildly off.
|Feb-10-11|| ||Llawdogg: Wow! With the Immortal Game and the Evergreen Game, Adolf Anderssen has a secure place in the history of chess. Two of the most beautiful games ever played!|
|Mar-08-11|| ||rich187113: A great game that will always be remembered in the chess world.|
|Mar-08-11|| ||Nilsson: What about 19..Qh3 Is it a draw?
|Mar-10-11|| ||Tigranny: If 20...Kd8, it leads to 21.Rxd7!+ Kc8 22.Rd8!!+ (22...Nxd8 leads to 23.Qxd7!!+ Kxd7 24.Bf5+ Ke8 25.Bd7#) 22...Kxd8 23.Bf5+ Ke8 24.Bd7+ Kd8 25.Bxc6+ Qxd1+ 26.Qxd1+ Kc8 27.Bd7+ Kd8 28.Be7#.|
|May-17-11|| ||IRONCASTLEVINAY: Nice game|
|May-17-11|| ||Gilmoy: <WhiteRook48: 20..Kd8! 21.Rxd7+! Kc8! 22.Rd8+ Kxd8 23.Be4+> White ignores the Q and goes straight for mate: <Tigranny: 23.Bf5+>! <Ke8 24.Bd7+ Kd8 25.Bxc6+ Qxd1+ 26.Qxd1+ Kc8 27.Bd7+ Kd8 28.Be7#> 27.Qd7#.|
I saw the slower line <WhiteRook48: 23.Be4+ Nd4! 24.Rxd4+?! Bxd4 25.Qxd4+ Ke8 26.Bxf3 Bxf3> 26.Qe5+ Kd8 27.Be7+ <the Q stays adjacent to f5> Kd7 27.Bf5+ Qxf5 (Kc6 28.Qc5#) 28.Qxf5+ Kc6 29.c4 Ba6 <to prevent 31.Qb5#> 30.Qd5+ Kb6 31.Qxf7 and White has Q+PPP for RR, queening threats, time for luft (f3) while Black's pieces trip over themselves, and surely an epaulette mate somewhere.
Tigranny had the right idea: if your moving piece doesn't have a double check, the next most smitingest thing is to <take away flight squares>.
|Jul-15-11|| ||DrMAL: Amazing, there are over half a dozen winning options for move 17 but instead Anderssen plays a sac that ruins nearly all advantage, yet he still ends up winning via blunder, LMAO!|
|Aug-05-11|| ||asiduodiego: Classic and beautiful game.
If 20. ... Kd8,
21. Rxe7+! Kc8
If black captures the rook with the rook, loses his queen, with the king, the same thing. With the knight, it's mate in two.
The real mistake was: 19. ... Qxg3??. Perhaps 19. ... Qh3 was better
|Aug-31-11|| ||nightgaunts: i dont get why 15. ... Qf5|
|Aug-31-11|| ||Poulsen: <Llawdogg><With the Immortal Game and the Evergreen Game, Adolf Anderssen has a secure place in the history of chess. Two of the most beautiful games ever played!> Well, not everyone agrees on that - about the beauty of the games, that is.|
Jens Enevoldsen f.x. thought, that while the Evergreen game is excellent, the Immortal Game is more or less a fudge - or the result of Anderssen and Kieseritsky fooling around with the pieces - and suddenly the mating attack emerges from the position.
He might not be right on that, but it's true IMO, that some of the errors made in the Immortal Game are somewhat "inconsistent" with the actual playing strengt of Lionel Adalbert Bagration Felix Kieseritsky. He was an excellent player of the romantic style prevalent at his time - but also had eye on the soundness of moves - as in this lesser known game:
Saint Amant vs Kieseritzky, 1839
|Aug-31-11|| ||keypusher: <Poulsen>
<Jens Enevoldsen f.x. thought, that while the Evergreen game is excellent, the Immortal Game is more or less a fudge - or the result of Anderssen and Kieseritsky fooling around with the pieces - and suddenly the mating attack emerges from the position.>
That makes a lot of sense. ...Na6 in the Immortal Game doesn't strike me as a move that Kieseritzsky would have made normally. Of course he made much worse moves in official tournament games against Anderssen, but that seems to have been a matter of nerves.
|Oct-16-11|| ||LIFE Master AJ: This game is a thing of great beauty ... while certainly not 100% sound, it shows the fire and tatical acumenn that became the trademarks of Anderssen's play.|
|Nov-14-11|| ||Mudphudder: Hard to believe this game was played in 1851. Back then it must seem like such hyper-modernization in his style of play!!|
|Jan-18-12|| ||Llawdogg: Beautiful!|
|Feb-06-12|| ||BlackSheep: Its strange how people don't call their kids Adolf any more he was such a good player in his day.|
|Feb-06-12|| ||TheFocus: <Its strange how people don't call their kids Adolf any more>|
I blame Hitler.
I also notice that Hitler's mustache went out of fashion too.
|Feb-06-12|| ||alexmagnus: Actually if you look at the distribution of the name Adolf in Germany, you'll notice the former border between West and East Germany :D http://www.beliebte-vornamen.de/450...|
|May-24-12|| ||Anderssen99: It seems Black has a saving clause: 19...,Bd4!!. 20.Nxd4,Rxg2+!!. 21.Kxg2 (Forced), Nxd4+. 22.Re4,Bxe4+. 23.Bxe4,Qg4+. 24.Kf1,Qe2+. 25.Kg1,Qxe4. 26.Qxd4,Qxd4. 27.Rxd4,Ng6 with a draw.|
|Jun-30-12|| ||morphyesque: Re:Anderssen99 note of May24-12.A better white continuation was 26.Rxd4 Qg6+ 27.Kh1 Qb1+ 28.Rd1 Qb7+ 29.Kg1 Qc6 30.Qh4 O-O-O 31.f6xe7 Rg8+ 32.Kf1 Qxc3 and I rate this +3.72 advantage to white.I can understand though Dufresne playing 19....Qxf3 in 1852 long before chess search engines!|
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