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|Sep-26-12|| ||Novirasputin: I have always defended Alekhine. Other people like, famously, boxer Max Schmeling were coerced into the same Nazi crap. Years later two of Schmeling's jewish friends from Germany said he saved them during Kristallnacht and helped get them out. So that shows how true what he supposedly "wrote and said," was and it seems true for Alekhine given his treatments of Kashdan and Denker among others. |
It was the norm in Nazi Germany.
|Sep-26-12|| ||Abdel Irada: What hath Lasker Dunne?
Good grief, what an unmitigated debacle this was for poor Peter Potemkin.
|Sep-26-12|| ||piltdown man: He may have been a Nazi, but my goodness he could play chess.|
|Sep-26-12|| ||newzild: An excellent little miniature. The mate wasn't that deep, but the attack showed plenty of imagination|
<rigel1503>: <To sfm>: <Hitler had no good leadership qualities period!>
Hitler had some excellent leadership qualities. He had amazing determination, willpower and intuition, and was a gifted orator.
|Sep-26-12|| ||HeMateMe: I think the comments by the chess fans for this game are more interesting than the game itself.|
BTW, is this player related to the Potemkin whose name adorned a famous ship, which I belive sparked a mutiny in 1917, which ended 400 years of Czar/Romanov reign in Russia?
|Sep-26-12|| ||Poulsen: <SeanBurdine><If Hitler had happened to die in October 1938 instead of living until 1945 -- which is to say, *after* he rebuilt Germany into a world power and *before* he had a chance to show his vileness by starting a bloody global conflict and building extermination camps where he killed 6,000,000 innocent civilians -- every history book would have a giant puff piece extolling him as a great historical leader.>
This is indeed an ignorant statement - as already pointed our by <standingtal>. Hitler was far from a great leader - his leadership was implusive, illocigal, disoriented, confusing, divisive - and his person was the main reason for an overall ineffective commandstructure - both civilian and military. He simply operated Germany as a gangster would operated his "family" - in terms of leadership he ranks among the WORST leaders of all time - not even considering his criminal actions.|
And as for the "rebuilding-Germany-argument", well, personally Hitler was uninterested in economy saying:"the economy is something of secondary importance". Before the war the economy became largely driven by huge public investments (AutoBahn, military etc.) financed by deficit spending - to such an extend, that it has been suggested, that Germany had to "flee into war" or the economy would crash. These investment led to almost full employment in Germany before the war, but people tend to forget, that the real wages fell significantly - 25 % or so.
In short: there is absolutely nothing, that can support the claim, that Hitler was a great leader. He was in every way imagineable a disaster.
|Sep-26-12|| ||Sem: Thank you, Poulsen. And let's not forget that Hitler's road to power was littered with dead Germans, also thanks to SA street terror. Socialists, communists, intellectuals, artists and homosexuals were his victims, either in the street or in the concentration camps, the first of which were built for Germans!|
|Sep-26-12|| ||Tysonh: Firstly: Hitler and the nazis were racist from the start. They terrorized jewish people, smashed the windows of their shops and beat their children also before 1933. This ressembles the actions in the West bank now, where settlers do the same to palestinians, just because they are Arabs.|
Secondly: One important reason for Hitler to gain power was that racism was wide spread among all people in Germany, but also in other countries in Europe and the USA. Henry Ford was for instance a great admirer of Hitler. So Aljechin's view was stupid and ignorant but not very uncommon. Many people outside the nazi party had the same views.
In this respect the nazis and the fascists differed, because in the start the fascist was not at all racist.
Thirdly: When it comes to Fisher my impression (which might be wrong) is that he critized the actions of the state of Israel at least to begin with. Many times criticism against the state of Israel or settlers in Israel are wrongly interpreted as antisemitism. Which sometimes is a bit strange as Arabs also are semites.
|Sep-26-12|| ||Llawdogg: I was a little too tall, could've used a few pounds.|
|Sep-26-12|| ||kevin86: Alec gives up queen and mates with two horses.
Wow,1912 was a great year for great games,the Gold Piece game was in the year as well.
|Sep-26-12|| ||Castleinthesky: I have always limited my comments to chess, but this one is too tempting. <SeanBurdine>, by the same logic, if Stalin had died in 1920, Communism would have been a success, and if Archduke Ferdinand had died of the measles in 1910, there would have not have been a WWI, and if Pontius Pilate had gotten run over by a chariot the year before he became governor of Judea, there would have been no Christianity...... To make it short, this is sheer silliness.|
|Sep-26-12|| ||aliejin: A century has passed .....
and ...... games of Alekhine has a beauty and fascination
........ that is independent of the circumstances in which they were
Alekhine wherever you are thanks for always prioritize
principles of struggle and creation!
|Sep-26-12|| ||BEDRICH: GAMES OF ALJECHIN HAVE A BEAUTY AND FASCINATION .. yes. and I find it strange to mix here politics, Auchwitz an so on|
|Sep-26-12|| ||Sneaky: It was 100 years ago today / When Sergeant Alex taught the club to play / They've been going in and out of style / but they're guaranteed to raise a smile|
|Sep-26-12|| ||rapidcitychess: Alternative pun: My Little Ponies|
|Sep-26-12|| ||bischopper: happy century to remember, a GM is for ever|
|Sep-26-12|| ||schnarre: ...I concur <Castleinthesky>!|
...A two-knight finish like this is a great embarrassment!
|Sep-26-12|| ||JamesT Kirk: I agree with you,BEDRICH.|
|Sep-26-12|| ||Abdel Irada: Reality being what it is, I see no way that one can discuss certain chessplayers — or certain authors — however talented or even brilliant, and fail to consider their politics, their ethics and the evil they have done.|
Certainly it is possible to admire people for their achievements within their respective fields of endeavor, and at the same time to deplore them for their perverse ideologies. So let it be with Alekhine.
|Sep-26-12|| ||celso chini: Gentlemen,
Alekhine was a great chess player....and like Paul Keres.......a SURVIVOR! Stalin and Hitler were fanatics generated by tough times.
|Sep-26-12|| ||WhiteRook48: Alekhine could make thunderstorms from a blue sky.|
|Sep-26-12|| ||Abdel Irada: <celso chini>: Apply that logic far enough, and Charles Manson becomes a nice guy who was just pushed a little too far. We have to take *some* responsibility for our actions.|
|Sep-27-12|| ||HeMateMe: I don't think Dolph and Joe could have done all of that killing themselves. They must have had help...|
|Oct-03-12|| ||Trigonometrist: This is pretty damn insane.|
|Oct-03-12|| ||Shams: White's position quickly slips away from him, like a baby carriage careening down a long set of stone stairs at the entrance to a building.|
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