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Robert James Fischer vs Ruben Shocron
"Shockin' Shocron" (game of the day May-21-08)
Mar del Plata 1959  ·  Spanish Game: Closed Variations. Chigorin Defense (C97)  ·  1-0


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Mar-04-09   mohitm: Hey, thanks zanshin!
Mar-04-09
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  zanshin: <hot pawn: I am proud to say that I got a wednesday puzzle and a Fischer move. But what if black plays 39..fxR? Does that not leave black with a material advantage?>

After <39...fxe6> (Rybka 3)


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[+5.06] d=19 40.Qxe6 Kf8 41.Qxe5 Kf7 42.Bd4 (0:34.52) 391272kN

Mar-04-09
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  zanshin: <mohitm: Hey, thanks zanshin!>

No problem .. great minds think alike ;-)

Mar-04-09
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  kevin86: I've seen this one before;black was a piece down,but looked to profit by pinning the rook and taking later. The black queen cannot be taken by the desperato move of Qxg6+,as the rook defends it.

White diverts the queen to a square where the manoever WILL win the queen.

If black refuses the bishop,he will remain a piece down.

Mar-04-09
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  patzer2: <FSR> You provide a good description of the tactics involved in today's Wednesday puzzle, which utilizes a defensive decoy and deflection combination with the threat of a discovered attack with check in Fischer's 40. Bd7! for it's solution.

Having seen the puzzle before, I didn't have much difficulty with it. So, I decided to look this time to see where Black blundered. The problem was with 38...Qd8?? Instead, the defense 38...Qd7!? 39. Rb6 Qc7 40. Rxb8+ Qxb8 41.Bd7 Qd6 offers practical drawing chances in a slightly inferior position against Fischer (which was quite often a losing proposition).

P.S.: I assume Fischer saw all this, and that all replies other than 38...Qd7!? lost immediately, when he played 38. Rc6!

Mar-04-09   zill: I saw the motif, but I didn't see the right move. My "solution" was 40. Ba7 A) 40... fxe6 41. Bxb8 Qxb8 42. Qxe6+ Kf8 43. Qxc4 Bxg5 44. Bb3 B) 40... Ra8 41. Bc6 fxe6 42. Bxa8 Qxa8 43. Qxe6+ Kf8 44. Qxe5 Qxa7 45. Qh8+ Kf7 46. Qxh7+ Kf8 47. Qxg6 but I think both lines give white only a small advantage.
Mar-04-09
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  YouRang: Well, I solved it, but made it harder for myself since I didn't do the proper prep work:

The tension point is the white rook being attacked by a pawn and pinned to our Q by black's Q. Is there any way to unpin it?

Yes! by interposing the bishop at d7, <40.Bd7!>. It's a decoy move that one might dismiss since the bishop is unguarded -- but the point is that *black's queen* will be unguarded if it captures the bishop, allowing a winning discovered check: <40...Qxd7? 41.Rxg6+ hxg6 42.Qxd7>.

Since the black Q can't take our bishop, it must move to avoid being captured by the bishop while guarding against Rxe7 -- that leaves <40...Qd8> (or 40...Qf8).

Here is where I struggled unnecessarily for a while, trying to find the "winning idea". It took me a few minutes to realize that I was already winning, being up a piece! All I have to do is move the rook to safety, and for that, <41.Rxe5> should do nicely. Lesson: Always check material balance first!

Mar-04-09
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  cu8sfan: Day three of my <quest to finally solve seven in a row> and I'm out already. )-:

White is about to lose the exchange. There does not seem to be a direct way to attack the black King so I'm trying to get out a piece ahead here.

40.Ba7 Qxe6 is winning after 41.Qxe6 fxe6 42.Bxb8 but after 40...fxe6 41.Bxb8 Qxb8 42.Qxe6+ Kf8 it's not clear.

40.Bc5 Bxc5 41.Re8+ is also good for White, but after 40...Qxc5 41.Rc6 Qa7 42.Rc8+ Rxc8 43.Qxc8+ Kg7 44.Qxc4 it's also not decided yet.

Amongst other moves I did look at 40.Rxg6+ and dismissed it, and I also checked 40.Bxd7 and figured I would only lose a piece after 40...Qxd7. I was not smart enough to combine these two ideas.

Back to square one...

Mar-04-09
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  johnlspouge: < <YouRang> wrote: [snip] Lesson: Always check material balance first! >

:)

Mar-04-09   tonythekingfisher: I didn't need to "find" it - I've studied "60 memorable games" comprehensively and it's in there!!

I had a very similar position in a league game recently and used exactly the same trick - because I remembered what Fischer did!

Mar-04-09   skemup: When i studied some of Fischer games i thought that he had played like computer. This combo is is also in "computer style" imo.
Mar-04-09
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  IMlday: In Fischer's 2007 notes the "!" for 20.g5 has been replaced with "!?" and he gives as best 20.Qg3 f6 21.Nf5! (instead of 21.g5 in Boleslavsky-Tal '57). After 20.g5!? he gives only a forced draw after 20..Bxg5 21.Nd5! Bxc1 22.Nf6+ Kh8 23.Rexc1 Rf8 24.Qg3 Qc7 25.Qh4 Kg7! 26.Nh5+ gxh5 27.Qg5+ perping. There are also four unrecommended variations beginning 21..Bxd5?, 22..Kf8?, 23.Nxe8? and 23..Re7 when 24.Rd1! improves on 24.Qg3 in his 1969 notes.
Mar-04-09   akapovsky: 3/3 easily too:)
Mar-04-09
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  ZUGZWANG67: That' s a subtle one. White is up a Bishop but his Rook is attacked by the f7-Pawn AND is pinned by the black Queen. The white Rook attacks the black Bishop BUT is still pinned by the black Queen.

At first, I was looking at the seemingly dangerous position of the Black King and was trying to figure out how the white Rook could go to the 8TH rank, while the e5-pawn disapears, the white Bishop lands to d4 AND the 8TH rank becomes clear of black pieces. But it looks like it is hard to find a variation to achieve everything. Although the presence of the g6-pawn and g5-pawn sugests that a mating net exists, I just do not see how to exploit it. Thus, 40.Rxe7 and 41.Rxe5 (reversible) always provokes 40. ...Qxg4 and then, how to bring the Bishop to d4 AND the Rook on the 8TH rank AND evicting the black one from that same rank ? It seems like a mate threat is not part of the solution here.

But White is still a whole piece up. We must find how to save the Rook AND the Queen.

Again 40.Rxe7. When 40. ...Qxg4 41.Bd7 shows that the Black Queen does not have many options, here. It can escape, but this variation shows that the d7-square might have its point.

40.Bd7. I think this is it, as 40. ...Qxd7 41.Rxg6+ hxg6 42.Qxd7 and White is +5. Or 40. ...fxe6 41.Bxe6+ Kg7 (41. ...Qxe6 42.Qxe6+ Kg7 43.Qxc4 is +6) 42.Bxc8 Rxc8 is again +5.

Thus, 40.Bd7 Qc7 (40. ...Qd8 41.Rxe5 is +4) 41.Rc8 and White is still a piece up.

Time to check ! (GULP!)

Mar-04-09
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  ZUGZWANG67: Cool ! But it took too long.
Mar-04-09
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  blacksburg: i feel like i've seen this one before...

here's the problem - i see Bd7 instantly, because i know what to look for. but in a real game, there's no way i'd see that move.

Mar-04-09   WhiteRook48: argh! I was thinking along "random sacrifices/blunders"
Mar-04-09
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  outplayer: <kingcrusher> I like your videoannotations from the sixty memorable games and I'll come back to them now and again.
Mar-04-09   TheBish: Fischer vs Shocron, 1959

White to move (40.?) "Medium/Easy"

White is up a piece, but Black has a nasty-looking pin on the e6 rook, about to win the rook and go ahead an exchange. Fischer has seen farther than his opponent, and has a bishop ready to come to the rescue!

40. Bd7!

Now 40...Qxd7 41. Rxg6+ wins the queen for a rook, so White will emerge a piece up, and Black can safely resign.

Mar-04-09   muralman: I looked at both bishops, and studied the gains. The white square bishop offered the most, as it pulled the black queen from it's rook protector, and allowed the white rook to gain a free from punishment check of the king, and in process win the queen.
Mar-04-09
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  Some call me Tim: <IMlday> In M60MG in 1969 Fischer also gives a "!?" to 20. g5.
Jul-25-09   WhiteRook48: 40...Qxd7 41 Rxg6+
Oct-28-09   Garech: <IMlday: In Fischer's 2007 notes the "!" for 20.g5 has been replaced with "!?" and he gives as best 20.Qg3 f6 21.Nf5! (instead of 21.g5 in Boleslavsky-Tal '57). After 20.g5!? he gives only a forced draw after 20..Bxg5 21.Nd5! Bxc1 22.Nf6+ Kh8 23.Rexc1 Rf8 24.Qg3 Qc7 25.Qh4 Kg7! 26.Nh5+ gxh5 27.Qg5+ perping. There are also four unrecommended variations beginning 21..Bxd5?, 22..Kf8?, 23.Nxe8? and 23..Re7 when 24.Rd1! improves on 24.Qg3 in his 1969 notes.>

Thanks very much for posting this, I was wondering what the ideas / traps were behind 20.g5!

Oct-28-09   TheFocus: <IMlday: In Fischer's 2007 notes the "!" for 20.g5 has been replaced with "!?" and he gives as best 20.Qg3 f6 21.Nf5! (instead of 21.g5 in Boleslavsky-Tal '57). After 20.g5!? he gives only a forced draw after 20..Bxg5 21.Nd5! Bxc1 22.Nf6+ Kh8 23.Rexc1 Rf8 24.Qg3 Qc7 25.Qh4 Kg7! 26.Nh5+ gxh5 27.Qg5+ perping. There are also four unrecommended variations beginning 21..Bxd5?, 22..Kf8?, 23.Nxe8? and 23..Re7 when 24.Rd1! improves on 24.Qg3 in his 1969 notes.>

Where did Fischer publish any notes in 2007?? I sure hope you don't mean in My 61 Memorable Games??

Nov-06-09   WhiteRook48: 39...fxe6!
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